Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

[Nancy Drew 39]

Don't worry you aren't posting exact timestamps I'm just getting a timeline in my head.

So Elsa made no posts before

10:07 p.m.

Jan 2nd I assume?

(Not 10:04 its 10:07)

The only game related post before then, was the first one I mentioned. The other three came soon after that.

[OkaPoka]

Okay so time line is

10:04 P.M.

Elsa makes one post about not outting the hood

10:07 P.M.

Elsa makes her other three posts?

ty for the help nancy : )

[Nancy Drew 39]

Content of the post(s) before 10:04 Jan 2nd is what I mean

Just the first one about not revealing the hoods. The posts before that weren’t game reated.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Okay so time line is

10:04 P.M.

Elsa makes one post about not outting the hood

10:07 P.M.

Elsa makes her other three posts?

ty for the help nancy : )

YW, with the obvious constrictions on me, that’s the best I can do without risking a modkill.

[Elsa Jay]

Ehh, note to future self, hang Oka if he tries that shit again.

On another note, I feel like we're doing a good job today in getting content.

[Elsa Jay]

And Oka, if your gonna try and get someone with that method, you gotta do it like 10:00 EST or something. Just saying one time when someone elsa is in a different time zone fucks with results.

[pisskop]

Nancy, wont you vote bob?

As for my tr on nancy, the time to ask about that was d1. how awkward to push that when he has no real content and its been implied by . . . a few weeks? . . . of realtime cooperation between the two of us?

Why bob?

And I’m not following your reasoning for tr me here?

can you 'fake' any of the arguments you've had here?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, wont you vote bob?

As for my tr on nancy, the time to ask about that was d1. how awkward to push that when he has no real content and its been implied by . . . a few weeks? . . . of realtime cooperation between the two of us?

Why bob?

And I’m not following your reasoning for tr me here?

can you 'fake' any of the arguments you've had here?

I never fake my emotions. Only twice did I do that and it was as jester in Shirley you jest and I almost choked on it. So, yes, my emotional reactions are always genuine.

[pisskop]

I think your posts, all if them, including your hard defense of players, is town.

its got nothing to do the quality of your posts or accuracy of your reads; youre reading as town because of the way you post.

[pisskop]

i also would like to think my reluctant TR of you (and ed) are apparent in my own posting

[Something_Smart]

Nancy (and therefore all of Oka's times) is EST, btw.

[Amrun]

So my neighbor is Town. Good stuff!

This, we know now, was bob. But in #615, he’s already saying bob is suspicious.

I’m going to go out on a limb and say S_S is Town here, which means Jingle et al are as well. Hi Jingle et al!

Reads in no particular order or degree of strength. Just c/ped my notes from the catchup readthrough

Scum
Krazy - Bad entrance and followups. Reminds me of AVP
Nancy - Unjustifiable certainty too early w/r/t several slots (Krazy, Elsa esp)
Hectic - Bad off-topic/trolling posts, counter-productivity
bob - Maybe? Weak vibes

Town
Pops - Positive read, making a lot of sense
Elsa - Interactions from Nancy
Titus - Positive read, counterpoint to Hectic
Amrun - Very positive read
OkaPoka - I don't see the setup spec coming from scum? Setup-solving, gamesolving
pisskop - Obvious scumhunting effort
NaCl - vague positive read

Insufficient information
DDL (Please stop calling him Eddie Murphy, very confusing)
Eddie
S_S

For info. Krazy/Nancy/hectic most obviously threatened by Pine.
Still negative bob read.

Hm. Eh. We are not very synced at all.

I’m in the awkward position of defending pisskop in our PT to two people whose opinion and objectivity I trust. It’s weird

TR pisskop but teammates SR (for posterity)

Bizarrely, Nancy, I think we are suddenly on the same page with most things except Krazy. I'm still not convinced you're Town, but I have bigger fish to fry and your reads line up with mine for the most part.

Hmm

Pine why does two votes on me suggest hectic scum?

It doesn’t on its own. It’s evidence of counterwagoning.

VOTE: NaCl

Later on he developed a fairly strong salt scumread.

Why were you taking a break from this game?

Because I'd lost my cool and started to question a number of my reads. Hectic turning out Towny and the missteps surrounding nearly lynching him got me way off-balance. Eddie suggested I take a break from the game and I thought it was a good idea. I'm fresh and ready to catch up with a clear head.

My team has been keeping up to various degrees. Kuribo in particular wrote a page and a half, but I skimmed over it because I don't want it to influence me too much until I read myself. Then I'll try to summarize kuribo, mastina, and xtoxm's thoughts.

Have fun bro, hopefully you help me kill pops and krazy and dont fall into their shitty pockets

Last I checked, Pops was Town and Krazy was scum, so I'm on board for 50% of that.

I'm setting aside a couple of hours after dinner (cooking now) so we'll see after that.

He carried pops TR and Krazy SR into the end of the day.

So we have a few things here.

1) Pine was a claimed neighbor. They weren’t dochunting which they ostensibly should be.

2) Krazy/NaCl/bob/Nancy/pisskop had reason to threatkill Pine, in descending order of level of threat. After bob it drops off a lot as he warmed up to Nancy later.

I think this NK almost certainly gives us at least one scum in {Krazy/NaCl/bob}.

Though his SR of bob was weaker, I find this the most likely person to NK Pine because he was neighbor and had an avenue to get a better read on bob. Perhaps things were going downhill in the hood.

Also, bob has personally NK me for having an accurate scumread on him when I thought it was bananas for gamestate, just like this scum kill. In that game, the living players ignored NKA mostly, which is what he was banking on, as it has fallen out of favor.

If it’s not bob, it’s Krazy slot IMO, as if Krazy was a mislynch, why would they kill his most vocal detractor after Eddie? OVER Eddie, who is conftown?

[Something_Smart]

1) Pine was a claimed neighbor. They weren’t dochunting which they ostensibly should be.

He could have been WIFOMing since he never claimed a partner.

[bob3141]

Armum the question is why did scum lynch him when a pine was possibility the next day.

That was the height of his wagon yesterday

Pine (4) - Hectic, Amrun, Nancy Drew 39, krzay

only 3 other wagons outside of rvs were lynched pops, confirmed eddie and hectic

[bob3141]

These are the wagosn so far

Elsa Jay (4) - NaCl, popsofctown (s), DrDoolittle, Amrun
Hectic (5) - Pine (t), OkaPoka, pisskop, armum, Nancy Drew 39
Hectic (7) - Pine (t), pisskop, Nancy Drew 39, DrDolittle, OkaPoka, titus, elsa
Pine (4) - Hectic, Amrun, Nancy Drew 39, krzay

popsofctown (5) - Eddie Cane, Amrun, Something_Smart, pisskop, Elsa Jay, titus, oka
eddie - popsofctown, krazy, pisskop. oka

______

popsofctown (5) - Eddie Cane, Amrun, Something_Smart, Elsa Jay, titus
eddie - popsofctown, krazy, pisskop. oka
__________

eddie - popsofctown, unwnd, pisskop, Elsa Jay, titus


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popsofctown (8) - Something_Smart, (b), Eddie Cane (t), Titus, pisskop, Amrun, Elsa Jay, Nancy Drew 39

[Hectic]

First?

VOTE: nancy drew

got a cop guilty here i promise you

So my neighbor is Town. Good stuff!

Crackpot theory, but Pine made this post after only Oka and SS had posted. When I read his post back then, I interpreted it to mean he was calling one of SS or Oka - the only two to have posted before him - his neighbour and town. I thought it was more likely in regards to Oka's post over SS'.

If scum knows for a fact that both SS and Oka are in neighbourhoods - because either they are scum or in neighbourhoods with one of the scum - they know Pine was lying. This also works if this only applies to Oka, since it looked more like Pine was talking about Oka's post rather than SS'.

Could be why he ate the NK, and would also make Oka scum or in a neighbourhood with scum. Am I still on the rails?

[Hectic]

I'm not saying your third vote is scummy/bad, I'm saying it doesn't give you towncred because a Pops lynch was decided there.

Your first vote was a complete joke then? Do you remember who you were scumreading at the time? Were you scumreading Pops?

So what info did you gain from seeing who pushed Eddie/Pops after your vote on Eddie?

^Elsa

[bob3141]

Hectic that would work with any player in the game taht didnt know who pines neighbour was. If they thought that pines claim was a fake neighbour claim.

[Nancy Drew 39]

So my neighbor is Town. Good stuff!

This, we know now, was bob. But in #615, he’s already saying bob is suspicious.

I’m going to go out on a limb and say S_S is Town here, which means Jingle et al are as well. Hi Jingle et al!

Reads in no particular order or degree of strength. Just c/ped my notes from the catchup readthrough

Scum
Krazy - Bad entrance and followups. Reminds me of AVP
Nancy - Unjustifiable certainty too early w/r/t several slots (Krazy, Elsa esp)
Hectic - Bad off-topic/trolling posts, counter-productivity
bob - Maybe? Weak vibes

Town
Pops - Positive read, making a lot of sense
Elsa - Interactions from Nancy
Titus - Positive read, counterpoint to Hectic
Amrun - Very positive read
OkaPoka - I don't see the setup spec coming from scum? Setup-solving, gamesolving
pisskop - Obvious scumhunting effort
NaCl - vague positive read

Insufficient information
DDL (Please stop calling him Eddie Murphy, very confusing)
Eddie
S_S

For info. Krazy/Nancy/hectic most obviously threatened by Pine.
Still negative bob read.

Hm. Eh. We are not very synced at all.

I’m in the awkward position of defending pisskop in our PT to two people whose opinion and objectivity I trust. It’s weird

TR pisskop but teammates SR (for posterity)

Bizarrely, Nancy, I think we are suddenly on the same page with most things except Krazy. I'm still not convinced you're Town, but I have bigger fish to fry and your reads line up with mine for the most part.

Hmm

Pine why does two votes on me suggest hectic scum?

It doesn’t on its own. It’s evidence of counterwagoning.

VOTE: NaCl

Later on he developed a fairly strong salt scumread.

Why were you taking a break from this game?

Because I'd lost my cool and started to question a number of my reads. Hectic turning out Towny and the missteps surrounding nearly lynching him got me way off-balance. Eddie suggested I take a break from the game and I thought it was a good idea. I'm fresh and ready to catch up with a clear head.

My team has been keeping up to various degrees. Kuribo in particular wrote a page and a half, but I skimmed over it because I don't want it to influence me too much until I read myself. Then I'll try to summarize kuribo, mastina, and xtoxm's thoughts.

Have fun bro, hopefully you help me kill pops and krazy and dont fall into their shitty pockets

Last I checked, Pops was Town and Krazy was scum, so I'm on board for 50% of that.

I'm setting aside a couple of hours after dinner (cooking now) so we'll see after that.

He carried pops TR and Krazy SR into the end of the day.

So we have a few things here.

1) Pine was a claimed neighbor. They weren’t dochunting which they ostensibly should be.

2) Krazy/NaCl/bob/Nancy/pisskop had reason to threatkill Pine, in descending order of level of threat. After bob it drops off a lot as he warmed up to Nancy later.

I think this NK almost certainly gives us at least one scum in {Krazy/NaCl/bob}.

Though his SR of bob was weaker, I find this the most likely person to NK Pine because he was neighbor and had an avenue to get a better read on bob. Perhaps things were going downhill in the hood.

Also, bob has personally NK me for having an accurate scumread on him when I thought it was bananas for gamestate, just like this scum kill. In that game, the living players ignored NKA mostly, which is what he was banking on, as it has fallen out of favor.

If it’s not bob, it’s Krazy slot IMO, as if Krazy was a mislynch, why would they kill his most vocal detractor after Eddie? OVER Eddie, who is conftown?

I’m really disappointed we won’t get to hear Mastina’s Krazy read because she has a much better BoP on Krazy than do tw/Ank and she was also in AvP I think?

Well Auro was shocked at my Piss solve and would Pops really go out of her way to make them look like buddies by jumping on NaCl? Also bob’s post wanting to mislynch me based off of post count and not seeming to care what my alignment is definitely pinging. He also never even gave a single reason for sr me, just that I need to die today and stop breathing or words to that effect. Since I wasn’t even sr him before that, he must see me as some kind of threat otherwise, which could possibly point to unwink/Krazy? because he’s also pushing Piss as well.

[bob3141]

Nancy that message was from menal.

And that misrep saying i scum read you for post count

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy that message was from menal.

And that misrep saying i scum read you for post count

Its not, you literally said I need to die for taking up oxygen because of my postcount. I didn’t misrep shit.

[bob3141]

He stopped posting right around when his wagon formed. Now it's completely disintegrated with no further posts from him, I don't think that's normal.

I don't think there's any three person scumteam where I get to feel like I played this game well.

I don't think it's reasonable for anyone to find the three person scumteam on day 1?

Can confirm, he is definitely avoiding this game but that’s NAI for him but we have 6 days, so no harm in pressure voting this.

VOTE: Pine

i vote pops upto l-2 and your ever so eager to jump back on to pines wagon as soon as it gets another vote.

Then your votes only reappear on pops when it pushs him to l-2 again. Prime bussing spot.

Then you unvote before revoting him. Makes me think you hoped teh pops wagon would collapse. But when you saw the unvoting had no effect you hammered him for damage control.

As you dont vote with conviction.

You say should i revote as its gettign really confusing

"Should I revote? This is getting really confusing." exact words

[Amrun]

Armum the question is why did scum lynch him when a pine was possibility the next day.

That was the height of his wagon yesterday

Pine (4) - Hectic, Amrun, Nancy Drew 39, krzay

only 3 other wagons outside of rvs were lynched pops, confirmed eddie and hectic

Yes I know that’s the question. I’m attempting to answer it.

[bob3141]

I think pops might be town tbh. Theyre reads are consistent.

I dont recall pops' scumgame. Anyone have an insight?

Do you think pops would be incapable of faking consistent reads as scum? I don’t.

@Nancy: I’d feel dirty killing that slot today after the emotional replace out, but I’m not really inclined to delay progressing a 100page game for unwind when he doesn’t believe in catch up reading. What are we waiting for, in that instance? It would be easier to get him into the game with a flip or two he can actually discuss.

I just think in a couple of days, we’ll have a much better read on him. Like I’m legit torn, if Krazy was town. I will feel like shit if we mislynch him but if he flips scum. I’m going to be pissed. we allowed him to manipulate us like that. So if we wait two days, we can actually get a clue to his alignment.

The only slots I can see voting rn are Pine/Pops but I would hate to miss out on his Mastina read, should he provide it. I’m null on Pops but if I can’t convince you guys to wait a couple of days to sort unwind, I dunno. :/

here you say your read on pops is null. Exactly when he is getting wagoned. Which makes me beleive you only switched your tune as you didnt want to be on the wrong side of a scum lynch. and we had 4 days to deadlien so town you would have pushed there scum read more or tried to sort pops more

[bob3141]

Nancy that message was from menal.

And that misrep saying i scum read you for post count

Its not, you literally said I need to die for taking up oxygen because of my postcount. I didn’t misrep shit.

You are misrepping as you are saying mine and menal scum read is based on your post count. which it isnt.


But menal does think your post to much. If your town you best of sitting back a bit or its just goign allow scum to hide under teh radar. I think thats what he was tryign to get across.

That and he just thinks your scum