Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

[skitter30]

Indeed

This phase has been exhausting tho

And now we need to decide what we should do tonight

[Xtoxm]

either rc or someone in the list of 3 tw just called never lynches
i dont have any particular tpr read :/

[Xtoxm]

tris have you thought about what u wanna claim/what night action u wanna do?

[skitter30]

i really want to keep rc alive but i'm nervous of the eventuality he realizes he is literally wrong on everything and death-tunnels me

if not rc i'm thinking rce or math, probably the former

[skitter30]

i guess it basically comes down to:

will rc be lynchable tom

if yes i want him alive
if no i want him dead

[Xtoxm]

rce is tr you and tris tho
he scumread me but i feel like when i flip that will reinforce his reads?
why do you want kill him

[Xtoxm]

people who have expressed willingness to vote rc are rce and math.
theres the 3 of us, which would make 5. certainly fits for me and you, maybe not tris quite so much.
do you think anyone else would vote him?

[Xtoxm]

theres still in my thinking that rc is the only pr lead we have.
killing vanillas at night is really bad for scum ev, since these normals tend to be townsided and if prs live to long, scum get mechanically caught out.

although i do agree it feels like a waste when the duck and his team spent so long shouting about him being scum. people might listen to that.

[skitter30]

rce is tr you and tris tho
he scumread me but i feel like when i flip that will reinforce his reads?
why do you want kill him

I forgot that rce townread tris, good point

I dont think the flip will reinforce his reads

I'm mostly trying to figure out how to nk and i want to avoid math if possible simply because he seems set on going after him, and anyone less universally townread than rce will start make people questioning why one of the louder players wasnt killed

Like anything lower than rce will make people question the nk too much, it will be too wtf-y to make much sense and things will be derailed into - why were they nk'd

Even rce is straddling that line where people might question it

[skitter30]

theres still in my thinking that rc is the only pr lead we have.
killing vanillas at night is really bad for scum ev, since these normals tend to be townsided and if prs live to long, scum get mechanically caught out.

although i do agree it feels like a waste when the duck and his team spent so long shouting about him being scum. people might listen to that.

You raise valid points wrt prs

I think in general i just find controlling dayplay to be more important than the night play

Like if rc is dead - town gets a chance to think and regroup and start playing rationally again

If he's alive, there will be too much chaos for that to happen

Unless he like exactly chooses to tunnel me i think the gamestate will be more beneficial to us if he's alive and has to deal with the aftermath of today

(Of course i may be misjudging how he chooses to handle tomorrow and this may all blow up in my faces)

But my gut thinks this is the right choice

[Xtoxm]

just vig him 4head
reeks of scum saving an easy lynch for later
how often do you get vigs in a mini normal

Pretty often.

Tbh just me being in the game makes the likelihood of a vig go up.

do you think this could be a non-vt indication?
my instincts were NAI but im looking for anything since ive got no ideas.

[Xtoxm]

{RC}
{RCE Skitter Mathblade}
{Teacher}
{Ari, Flopz} (Flopz heavily contingent on Icoscum, drop him lower if Icotown)
{Xtoxm} - null line
{Plum, Tris, Bella}
{byeconeum}
{lalaladucks}

mastina said when a renowned player has bad reads and you kill them, its fuel for the rest of the game.
we've certainly got that here.

[skitter30]

Ya that's true

I just dont know the best way to play this

[skitter30]

@mod can you 'prod' tris?

[Xtoxm]

assuming pt cops exists, do you prefer removing the hard guilty from you, or removing a hard clear from town?

[skitter30]

Removing the hard guilty from me, i think, since we're eventually going to need an excuse for why i'm not dying

I was thinking tris could claim loyal/disloyal or something ?

Idk i guess if tris flips first how bad do i look if she neighborized me?

[skitter30]

Bleh actually as i think about it i'm not sure

If she neighborizes a townie who gets pt-copped, they're potentially scum
If she neighborizes myself and i get pt-copped i have an out

I dont think we need to create ambiguous guilties, i think we need more ambiguous innos so that we have people to kill

Or am i looking at this wrong ?

[Xtoxm]

Idk i guess if tris flips first how bad do i look if she neighborized me?

no worse than any random townie we pick.
i dont think it would hurt too much?
i do like the idea of her claiming loyal/disloyal

[Xtoxm]

I dont think we need to create ambiguous guilties, i think we need more ambiguous innos so that we have people to kill

Or am i looking at this wrong ?

well, its catastrophic if end up guilted..but youre probablyyyyyy not a likely target at this point

[skitter30]

Ok

- how does a neighborizer work, technically ? Are her targets added to the same thread each night? Do like if me/tris are in the thread tonight does her n2 target see what we spoke about? Or is a new hood opened?

- if loyal and she targets me and ultimately flips ... i think that i'm going to be under a lot of pressure wrt not dying

- i'm thinking she maybe claims disloyal and hopefully gets far enough to lylo and claims a guilty ? Like maybe odd night or whatever?

- i prefer she claim gated in some way

[skitter30]

I dont think we need to create ambiguous guilties, i think we need more ambiguous innos so that we have people to kill

Or am i looking at this wrong ?

well, its catastrophic if end up guilted..but youre probablyyyyyy not a likely target at this point

I'd almost prefer her on u in that scenario ?

[Xtoxm]

implo, if player A is neighborized, and in the same night scanned by a pt cop, what is the result the pt cop receives, assuming player A is not prior in a pt?

[Xtoxm]

I dont think we need to create ambiguous guilties, i think we need more ambiguous innos so that we have people to kill

Or am i looking at this wrong ?

well, its catastrophic if end up guilted..but youre probablyyyyyy not a likely target at this point

I'd almost prefer her on u in that scenario ?

i think the optics of her targeting me are not particularly great
if she comes out with a result on me, then i think people are going to be inclined to think we're both scum
if you're ok to committing her life to mine, we could do it.
im kinda hoping that you/tris could endgame together

[skitter30]

Ok, if you think that i'd rather her on me

Loyal disloyal gated ????

[Xtoxm]

- how does a neighborizer work, technically ? Are her targets added to the same thread each night? Do like if me/tris are in the thread tonight does her n2 target see what we spoke about? Or is a new hood opened?

i was assuming seperate hoods, but no clue.

implo?

- if loyal and she targets me and ultimately flips ... i think that i'm going to be under a lot of pressure wrt not dying

again, no more than any random townie we pick. i think it would be fine. your behaviour around it will be more important that the claim

- i'm thinking she maybe claims disloyal and hopefully gets far enough to lylo and claims a guilty ? Like maybe odd night or whatever?

we need to make the decision of loyal/disloyal fairly early. going for one of us tonight allows us to dleay the decision.

- i prefer she claim gated in some way

agreed. i suggested 1/2 shot earlier, but odd/even or whatever is also fine.