Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

[Micc]

Votecount 2.04

Elsa Jay (3) -

unwnd, Hectic, OkaPoka

bob3141 (2) -

pisskop, Amrun

Hectic (1) -

NaCl

pisskop (1) -

DrDolittle

Not Voting (6) -

Eddie Cane, Titus, Something_Smart, Elsa Jay, bob3141, Nancy Drew 39

With 13 players alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2020-01-28 02:10:00).

[Eddie Cane]

You're a good mod

[pisskop]

there's a macro somewhere to post auto vote counts.

several people have made one, in fact

[Eddie Cane]

Oh fuck, feeling betrayed then

[pisskop]

nah , looks how awesome it is.

this mod is gold standard

[Hectic]

I don't think Micc automates VCs though.

[Hectic]

I know it's your job as scum and all, but stop trying to get me lynched and go to another neighborhood.

VOTE: elsa

Case later

Yes, letting your neighbor and/or Scum team make your case already. Wonderful strategy.

I don't like these posts.
Elsa, I can see why you're annoyed at Oka's timestamp fishing, but why does it make him scum? It's cheeky, but actually kinda towny to care about the details he was looking for. I don't see the basis for calling him scum off of that.

[Hectic]

Hectic had a team wide gimmick and his play was the equivalent of quoting his team's posts

That's a massive tactical advantage especially if he has someone on his team with certain tells

That was all RP; all of those posts were written by me.
I can see why the mods asked me stop now.

[bob3141]

originally i was going to go through every detail on why nancy thought elsa was town through pt but thats not allowed

but if I were to do that I'd line up hypothetical pt posts and its content and see if Nancy made posts indicating a certain points of views expressed in the pt. I'd mark down in a spreadsheet if Elsa made posts in the pt that expressed points of views Nancy shared before or after Nancy's public posts.

If after = signs of buddying

If before = signs of being townie

Just a hypothetical for anyone with access to the Nancy - Elsa pt :devilface:

I’ve experienced being buddied by scum in a PT and it definitely didn’t feel like this. She hasn’t trying to influence my reads/votes on anything.

How would you say your reads are effecting her reads. When i was scum in pt i used it to pretend my reads were changing due to my neighbour pushing that he was scum in our pt.

Or is the pt look like neither is trying to or appearing to be influenced by the other

[bob3141]

Anyone down for hood claims now? We're talking about PoE soooo

Why do you want more hoods outed so soon?

4 hoods are already out. One had scum in it.

So atleast one hood is unknown to scum.

[Hectic]

Let's not out the other hoods; doc still an IC which we should try and keep alive for as long as possible.

[Eddie Cane]

Scum have a rolecop. They know two hoods, plus the claimed ones, plus their rolecop target. Doc only actually matters if they get two saves, one save puts us at evens which sucks. And the odds doc lives undetected long enough to get two saves is very very low, even if they can get one on me tonight.

[Titus]

My notes are terrible.

I know me Hectic.
Nancy Elsa.
Eddie and pops.

Who else?

[Hectic]

I see what you mean, Eddie. But on the other hand, the doc is someone scum have to kill sooner rather than later as it's really bad for an IC to be alive close to endgame. So while doc hunting, which is a 1/2 to a 1/4 for them depending on whether scum are in any of the outed hoods, they could make in-optimal kills if they read a neutral/scummy player as the doc. We shouldn't give them the easy route of killing doc tonight and then killing whoever they please (towniest towns probably) in future nights.

[Hectic]

My notes are terrible.

I know me Hectic.
Nancy Elsa.
Eddie and pops.

Who else?

That's it right now, I think.

[Amrun]

I see what you mean, Eddie. But on the other hand, the doc is someone scum have to kill sooner rather than later as it's really bad for an IC to be alive close to endgame. So while doc hunting, which is a 1/2 to a 1/4 for them depending on whether scum are in any of the outed hoods, they could make in-optimal kills if they read a neutral/scummy player as the doc. We shouldn't give them the easy route of killing doc tonight and then killing whoever they please (towniest towns probably) in future nights.

But they aren’t doc hunting because they killed Pine.
Pants on head.

[bob3141]

I see what you mean, Eddie. But on the other hand, the doc is someone scum have to kill sooner rather than later as it's really bad for an IC to be alive close to endgame. So while doc hunting, which is a 1/2 to a 1/4 for them depending on whether scum are in any of the outed hoods, they could make in-optimal kills if they read a neutral/scummy player as the doc. We shouldn't give them the easy route of killing doc tonight and then killing whoever they please (towniest towns probably) in future nights.

But they aren’t doc hunting because they killed Pine.
Pants on head.

Maybe we should all do a spartacus

[pisskop]

I feel the obvtown implication of being the doc are more threatening than having an na, tbf.

[pisskop]

if the doc is someone who isn't a universal townread than its going to be beneficial to let them reveal as necessary

[Amrun]

My notes are terrible.

I know me Hectic.
Nancy Elsa.
Eddie and pops.

Who else?

bob and Pine

[Titus]

I see what you mean, Eddie. But on the other hand, the doc is someone scum have to kill sooner rather than later as it's really bad for an IC to be alive close to endgame. So while doc hunting, which is a 1/2 to a 1/4 for them depending on whether scum are in any of the outed hoods, they could make in-optimal kills if they read a neutral/scummy player as the doc. We shouldn't give them the easy route of killing doc tonight and then killing whoever they please (towniest towns probably) in future nights.

They already have it.

Oka, Unwind, Pisskop, SS, Bob and NACL, are the only unclaimed hoods. Assuming based on random odds, there is one scum. That leaves at most 2 hoods unsolved.

@Amrun, Ty.

[NaCl]

I wouldn’t be opposed to lynching Krazy/unwind. Even if town that would give us a ton of info.

Yeah, I feel the same way. I don't really like the way unwnd was going around on his teammates and lying about it, it seems like a really weird reaction to say they they first refused to give help and then that he didn't really want it. I don't see why he wouldn't just say that from the start.

Also, I feel really ignored about Hectic. To me it really feels like he and Pops have been soft-defending each other for most of the time, not really putting firm stances on each other but acting in ways to quietly defend the other. Does anyone else see this?



Regarding the hoods, I don't think people should reveal yet. The reason behind it is that I think it helps me with thinking about the nightkills. Let's say that Unwnd is scum and he killed Pine because Pine was after that slot, that's not a team that would happen with Bob-Unwnd, for instance. Because other people were scumreading unwnd who he could have gone after, which might have had a chance of also killing the doc, I think.

But in general I think that it can help think about scum. A scumteam with weakly positioned players would be more likely to kill inside their hood, I think, while one with strongly positioned players would be more likely to kill outside it.

Mainly I don't see any advantage of outing the doc right now when they could reveal at anytime. If the doc gets to L-1 and claims then we just lynch someone else, but if they don't get to that point it still makes the scum have to try and kill them.

[Eddie Cane]

Alright, discussed with my team. I think unclaimed hoods should out.

[OkaPoka]

bruh why

[Eddie Cane]

Doc getting 2 saves is very unlikely.

Doc getting 1 save does not help.

Doc outing gives a second IC to discuss with today, and it lets us see all the hoods to eliminate possible teams.