Newbie 1976 - Game Over

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lol i bet you're getting a headache right about now Datisi.

[Datisi]

please stop calling each other scum it accomplishes absolutely nothing if you're Town

[Datisi]

ok, similar question to norway
shotgun points why i should be voting flame birb over scandinavia

go

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well, this post is something worth looking at:

VOTE: Norwegian
Don't really like 67 and 75. I don't see how GBJ finding you suspicious makes him scum.

Sure he unvoted immediately, but that's definitely not something a scum partner would do.
There's also more i mentioned earlier today.

As for scumtells on Ph0enix it's a bit of a challenge since he has been playing very smartly by bussing his teammate with a vote when Map Wolf's wagon reached L-2. He also has managed to keep up a very good progression, honestly i'm impressed by it. He does play it safe though, as i pointed out when i first saw him. He's never done anything controversial that shows genuine resolve in solving the game, all his posts are presented very matter of factly and with some sprinkled in light questioning.
What i can say to my defense is, assuming i'm scum... why would scum!me immediately claim VT and go heads to toe with town!Phoenix over claiming mason and trying to convince town!Ph0enix to vote you Datisi (a much more mislynchable player)? I may play recklessly sometimes, but there's no reason why scum!me would make such a bad play. It's a situation scum!Ph0enix took advantage of to make me look bad.

[Xtoxm]

VC 4.1

[1] Ph0enix:

NorwegianboyEE

[1] NorwegianboyEE:

Ph0enix

[1] Not Voting:

Datisi

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch

The Day 4 deadline is in

: (expired on 2020-01-22 10:52:36)

There was an error in VC 1.1 which has been corrected.

[Datisi]

You claimed first though. There was no way for scum!you to know which one of us is the Mason.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Which is why i would have waited if i was scum.

[Ph0enix]

What i can say to my defense is, assuming i'm scum... why would scum!me immediately claim VT and go heads to toe with town!Phoenix over claiming mason and trying to convince town!Ph0enix to vote you Datisi (a much more mislynchable player)? I may play recklessly sometimes, but there's no reason why scum!me would make such a bad play.

I'm not following here, for some reason, can you rephrase that?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Assuming i am in fact scum... why would scum!me at the beginning of D4 immediately claim VT and argue with town!Phoenix whom would be the real VT in this scenario, rather than instead fake claim mason and try to convince town!Ph0enix to vote Datisi (whom is a much more mislynchable player). Theoretical scum!me is unlikely to make the play i did today, therefore it indicates i am town.

[Ph0enix]

He does play it safe though, as i pointed out when i first saw him. He's never done anything controversial that shows genuine resolve in solving the game, all his posts are presented very matter of factly and with some sprinkled in light questioning.

Doesn't that have to do with playstyle, though?

[Ph0enix]

Assuming i am in fact scum... why would scum!me at the beginning of D4 immediately claim VT and argue with town!Phoenix whom would be the real VT in this scenario, rather than instead fake claim mason and try to convince town!Ph0enix to vote Datisi (whom is a much more mislynchable player). Theoretical scum!me is unlikely to make the play i did today, therefore it indicates i am town.

So if you fake claim Mason:

1) I'm the real Mason and we're in the same situation we're in now
2) Datisi is Mason and I have the last word

How is that AI?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Show me anything you've done this game which requires backbone.
Let's see, you voted GBJ to L-1. (a player i started the wagon on)

can someone put them on L-1 so we can get a claim or sth?

It doesn't seem as if we're going to get information from him otherwise at this point. I gave him plenty of time to answer my questions.

VOTE: GBJ

This is L-1.

You voted Map Wolf to L-1 when it already seemed inevitable he would be lynched, a wagon which was already started by Datisi whom i joined immediately because i genuinely reflected on whether my reads were wrong.

To all three of my scumreads: What are your thoughts about the game right now? Reads, anything else you want to share? And given that we're 28 pages in I would like

a more thorough answer

, not shotgun reads or something. I think it's not much to ask.

Sorry that

I don't have much to say

, but

I really don't know how to place people in this game beyond my earlier readlist

.

"(Non Imh), (Ph0enix), (NorwegianboyEE)
(

Datisi

), (Naerys)

(Saladman27)

" ---> Scumread? Hello?

VOTE: Datisi

...

For fuck's sake.

VOTE: Map Wolf

This is L-1.

And then you voted me because that was the only choice left for you at this point.

VOTE: NorwegianBoyEE

Ignoring the last vote, you've been coasting the entire game and held few original opinions of your own. And you've never risked your neck. That is the play of someone that wants to go by unseen, not solve the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And take a look at Jackson's ISO. that is one of the most awful ISO's i've ever seen. There's nothing more than fluff.

[Ph0enix]

Ignoring the last vote, you've been coasting the entire game and held few original opinions of your own. And you've never risked your neck. That is the play of someone that wants to go by unseen, not solve the game.

If I vote someone, you can be damn sure there's a good reason for it. And how did you "risk your neck", as you say? If you're referring to your votes left and right in order to obtain information, I don't see how that's more effective than my method.

[Ph0enix]

And take a look at Jackson's ISO. that is one of the most awful ISO's i've ever seen. There's nothing more than fluff.

It's not particularly good, I have to agree with that one.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you're referring to your votes left and right in order to obtain information,

And that isn't town indicative for you?
The mere fact that you're saying my votes were intended for information gathering suggests you know they were made with a town intention in mind. You're scumslipping.

[Datisi]

Norway, I'm kinda skimming through parts of the game, you've been calling Ph0enix "unmistakingly Town" until like late Day 2. Did his play not ping you before?

[Ph0enix]

If you're referring to your votes left and right in order to obtain information,

And that isn't town indicative for you?
The mere fact that you're saying my votes were intended for information gathering suggests you know they were made with a town intention in mind. You're scumslipping.

I'm saying what you are referring to, not what I think they were for.

[Ph0enix]

If you're referring to your votes left and right in order to obtain information,

And that isn't town indicative for you?
The mere fact that you're saying my votes were intended for information gathering suggests you know they were made with a town intention in mind. You're scumslipping.

I'm saying what you are referring to, not what I think they were for.

Cause one could easily defend himself by saying that they were made in order to obtain information.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norway, I'm kinda skimming through parts of the game, you've been calling Ph0enix "unmistakingly Town" until like late Day 2. Did his play not ping you before?

No, it didn't much. Until now where i'm actually analyzing him more deeply to figure out how he slipped past everyone's radar.

[Ph0enix]

In your case, I, for example, don't know why you stopped pushing Datisi on D2. The argument went for a few days, but then he changes his vote to Map and you're like, yeah, he's more scummy, might as well.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because i READ Datisi's behaviour and it seemed genuine, that's why i switched gears to Map Wolf who was, as i quote:

I keep thinking back on Map Wolf. No attempt at solving, just sheeping reads lists and opinions. I think Map Wolf could be a good alternative here.

If we go purely by activity as a scumtell then Map Wolf is the scummiest by far. I could see scum!him looking at the gamestate and deciding to hide in the shadows by saying absolutely nothing of value, hoping town will forget about him.

[Ph0enix]

You didn't answer 985. Although I may be missing your point here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Honestly i'd prefer Map Wolf today though, feels like he's been popping in only at convenient moments where he feels the need to defend himself, but not actually contribute much to the solving of the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You didn't answer 985. Although I may be missing your point here.

Because i would have waited until either one of you had claimed and then gauged my opinions. Because scum or town, anyone could figure out that there would be exactly 1 town, 1 mason and one scum. So if scum waits they can choose and pick who they'd go against.