Micro 914: CultD3 (Over)

[Kanna]

Also goodbye readlist; I couldn’t make one

[Bingle]

I think it’s vaguely for the best if UTs claim D1. If we have a UT massclaim our EV shoots way up and there’s nothing scum can do to stop it. OTOH, if scum claims UT they will be found by any other or claim and both cultists have to claim.

[Bingle]

Not UT

[Hectic]

but I WANNA HEAR MORE FROM YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE AMAZING, POYZIN

Awww, you've inspired me! I'd recommend getting a better keyboard though so you don't accidentally hit the caps lock button as many times as you have. I'm getting shady vibes from "no lynch" the player, and the cult leader claim out of the gate left me with a bad taste in my mouth. I mean, it obviously was a joke because you don't simply claim to be the leader of the anti-town faction. ...but that's the thing... For some reason I'm feeling that this was just a really risky scum play, to say that to appear as town by making such a blatantly false joke.

Somebody please talk some sense into me because this is definitely unreasonable... right?

Oh wow, I didn't realise someone had glued down my CAPS LOCK KEY GODDAMMIT THERE IT GOES AGAIN HAng on there we go I fixed it. Sorry.

I'd read the No lynch (who I am now nicknaming Nolly) claiming cult leader as completely NAI; I wouldn't read into it if I were you. What do you think of sh0s putting Nolly on L-1 in 69?

Also, let me know what you think of Farkran's logic of claiming VT in 81.

[Hectic]

I think it’s vaguely for the best if UTs claim D1. If we have a UT massclaim our EV shoots way up and there’s nothing scum can do to stop it. OTOH, if scum claims UT they will be found by any other or claim and both cultists have to claim.

Not UT

Is that so scum can't claim UT in the future after recruiting other town PRs?

BRILLIANT.

Unkillable ICs would be nice to have honestly. But does the roleblocker work on unrecruitables?

[Hectic]

As far as I can tell, they can't be roleblocked and they actually seem a lot stronger than the other PR combinations, since they're so good for PoE when you get to Lylo (which they always will).

I don't think they should claim today, since in order for 2 cultists to pull off a double fakeclaim as 2 UTs, they would need to have recruited BOTH town PRs. So we definitely don't need to out any possible UTs on day 1; let cult have the potential of failing their recruit.

[Kanna]

Wait I think Bingle’s idea could potentially work because we’ll either get
> 2 confirmed town
> a counterclaim because there are other PRs
> nothing if in other setups, but we didn’t lose anything

[Kanna]

I mean, I guess a failed recruit is nice but the chance is kind of low

[Farkran]

I’m getting maybe low cult leader vibes from Fark cause on the outside, they seem quite townie, but some of their reads were kind of tmi imo and Poyzin is a newbie so I didn’t like that read of them

Which of my reads sounded TMI?

[Kanna]

Maybe the readlist? Could be just me but I’m struggling to find AI stuff so it seems weird how can already make a readlist

[Farkran]

Maybe the readlist? Could be just me but I’m struggling to find AI stuff so it seems weird how can already make a readlist

Check my meta

[Kanna]

Ok will do and will come back to you later

[Farkran]

I think it’s vaguely for the best if UTs claim D1. If we have a UT massclaim our EV shoots way up and there’s nothing scum can do to stop it. OTOH, if scum claims UT they will be found by any other or claim and both cultists have to claim.

I kinda support this in this setup. Already claimed non ut.

[Farkran]

I'd like to hear what korina has to say about it, being the best expert in cult -and this particular setup- here

[Farkran]

but I WANNA HEAR MORE FROM YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE AMAZING, POYZIN

Awww, you've inspired me! I'd recommend getting a better keyboard though so you don't accidentally hit the caps lock button as many times as you have. I'm getting shady vibes from "no lynch" the player, and the cult leader claim out of the gate left me with a bad taste in my mouth. I mean, it obviously was a joke because you don't simply claim to be the leader of the anti-town faction. ...but that's the thing... For some reason I'm feeling that this was just a really risky scum play, to say that to appear as town by making such a blatantly false joke.

Somebody please talk some sense into me because this is definitely unreasonable... right?

It's not unplausible, but i am with hectic saying that is NAI. Don't you have any other read based on what happened so far?

[Hectic]

If the UTs exist, they can just claim tomorrow with no harm after they've possibly blocked a recruit. There's no setup with just 1 UT, so the cultists can't fakeclaim double UT before day 3, since they can only do that if they've recruited both PRs. Hope that makes sense.

[shos]

I think it’s vaguely for the best if UTs claim D1. If we have a UT massclaim our EV shoots way up and there’s nothing scum can do to stop it. OTOH, if scum claims UT they will be found by any other or claim and both cultists have to claim.

VOTE: Bingle
I think this is the first talk worthy thing in the game. Such claim would really be stupid for cult as that would put them in a 1v1 with a real UT. It makes all sorts of sense that if scum ever come to claim, they'll claim VT or a PR to draw PRs out or something. Therefore, this post is, most likely, coming from a cultist which is not the cult leader.

[Farkran]

I think it’s vaguely for the best if UTs claim D1. If we have a UT massclaim our EV shoots way up and there’s nothing scum can do to stop it. OTOH, if scum claims UT they will be found by any other or claim and both cultists have to claim.

VOTE: Bingle
I think this is the first talk worthy thing in the game. Such claim would really be stupid for cult as that would put them in a 1v1 with a real UT. It makes all sorts of sense that if scum ever come to claim, they'll claim VT or a PR to draw PRs out or something. Therefore, this post is, most likely, coming from a cultist which is not the cult leader.

Sorry how is that post scum indicative for bingle? Please lead me to understand your train of thoughts.

From what i read here, you are voting bingle for assuming cult would counterclaim a claimed UT. Why would they? If UTs exist, counterclaiming them would give town MORE ICs rather than less, because an outed non-leader cult could be used as an anti-IC to lock cult into being unable to recruit more, since they are capped to 3 living cult players. Once the leader is found, then we can proceed to lynch cultists.

The difference between mafia and cult is that mafia cannot replace their ranks but have no limits on their ability to remove threats - cult can replace their ranks, but they are limited to 3 and therefore they can only remove threats if the town allows them to. Day 1 is the best day to apply this method, because the cult only has 1 available recruit to cast wifom on town. From day 2 onwards, it gets worse.

Tell me, shos, where is the scum intent in Bingle promoting such a strategy? Worst case scenario it would lead to a wifom-based gamestate, but it's not scum indicative.

[Null Vote]

I'd like to hear what korina has to say about it, being the best expert in cult -and this particular setup- here

I don't think that Korina is in the playerpool.

[shos]

no no no no
His point in claiming is to either force scum into d1 1v1 which is bad for them, since it's either leader or possibly a PR if I remember the setup correctly, or just...ignore them and allow them to avoid a mis-recruit which is obviously pro town. What I say is that clearly cult will not CC, and are far more likely to fakeclaim VT when they dakeclaim, so this just helps scum.
Worst case scenario is even supremely worse, where there is no UT and scum know this and THEY claim UT thus "conftowning" themselves until PRs die in the game when the setup becomes clearer.

Anyway, that is a bad bad idea, and suggesting it helps scum, and since the leader wouldn't want so much attention, this is probably not him

[Farkran]

I'd like to hear what korina has to say about it, being the best expert in cult -and this particular setup- here

I don't think that Korina is in the playerpool.

I'm sure that NOT KORINA can give an equally insighful analysis

[Null Vote]

I'd like to hear what korina has to say about it, being the best expert in cult -and this particular setup- here

I don't think that Korina is in the playerpool.

I'm sure that NOT KORINA can give an equally insighful analysis

Hopefully.

[Null Vote]

Worst case scenario is even supremely worse, where there is no UT and scum know this and THEY claim UT thus "conftowning" themselves until PRs die in the game when the setup becomes clearer.

This is exactly what is Bingle trying to prevent.
If you are PT and see someone claim a role which can't coexist with yours, you simply CC. So Cult Leader gets lynched by day 2.
If we don't mass claim not UT, cult

can

day 3 claim unrecruitable.

[Null Vote]

I claim not UT.

[Null Vote]

I think it’s vaguely for the best if UTs claim D1. If we have a UT massclaim our EV shoots way up and there’s nothing scum can do to stop it. OTOH, if scum claims UT they will be found by any other or claim and both cultists have to claim.

VOTE: Bingle
I think this is the first talk worthy thing in the game. Such claim would really be stupid for cult as that would put them in a 1v1 with a real UT. It makes all sorts of sense that if scum ever come to claim, they'll claim VT or a PR to draw PRs out or something. Therefore, this post is, most likely, coming from a cultist which is not the cult leader.

Why exactly are you voting someone who you think that is not Cult Leader?