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[AaronFrost]

Does that phrase have a secondary meaning I’m not aware of?

You’re not going to replace out just because people suspect you are you?

What was the point of this post by the way? It made me sick to my stomach actually. It feels really weird and it's like against the grain with the thread state. What were you hoping to achieve with this? I get you know he replaced out of games, but what was this achieving? I felt it really unnecessary.

It's totally off-topic and I interpreted it as a personal attack rather than an attempt at figuring out anything.

What was the point of bringing attention to it? I don't like how overexaggerated this post is. It was just a simple question.

Looks like I found my first serious scum read this game.

VOTE: insomnia

[Ame]

The town circle is opened to sistas and brothers alike, however, you have to prove yourselves first. The trial commences. It’s not much left...

Recruitment starts right now. You will be selected to be a member of the town circle throughout the game.

I'm having a brain fart. What do you mean by "it's not much left"?

VOTE: insomnia

hello everyone. the playerlist seems fun. don't worry, i'll be the saviour this game deserves and make it as boring as possible.

starting with.. insomnia. the bird is obviously town, so where is your issue coming from?

Now that Aaron has given his reasoning, why is Mac obvious town to you?

No! I can’t trust you Wimpy!

No high fives until I rest assured that you are a brother and not a traitor.

@Alchemist, what do you think of this post?

VOTE: Alchemist

night

What was the reasoning behind your profii vote and your switch to Alchemist here?


VOTE: profii

[Looker]

Everyone looks exactly the same; how can you make heads or tails out of them?

[Alchemist21]

@Alchemist, what do you think of this post?

I don’t think anything of it. I don’t really think anything of Macabre’s post either but I thought the vote might get us out of RVS.

[Alchemist21]

@Alchemist, what do you think of this post?

I don’t think anything of it. I don’t really think anything of Macabre’s post either but I thought the vote might get us out of RVS.

Everyone looks exactly the same; how can you make heads or tails out of them?

I have a Townread on Insomnia and a lesser Townread on Wimpy.

I’ve played with Insomnia before and know he has an aggressive playstyle and he seems to be making several early prods to form his reads. Also this post bleeds Town:

Upon a re-read, it doesn't look like I painted it to be, maybe I exaggerated it, but devoid of context it looked like a personal attack. My bad.

The question still doesn't help you figure him out though.

If Insomnia were scum just looking for a reason to push me I doubt he’d immediately post a correction on how he read my post.

As for Wimpy, I didn’t like the “Hi” entrance and with the “if people leave me alone” comment I thought he could be nervous scum but from his response to me and his general willingness to talk to everyone I don’t think that’s the case and put him as slight Town for it.

[Alchemist21]

My own quote shouldn’t be in that post.

[insomnia]

Does that phrase have a secondary meaning I’m not aware of?

You’re not going to replace out just because people suspect you are you?

What was the point of this post by the way? It made me sick to my stomach actually. It feels really weird and it's like against the grain with the thread state. What were you hoping to achieve with this? I get you know he replaced out of games, but what was this achieving? I felt it really unnecessary.

It's totally off-topic and I interpreted it as a personal attack rather than an attempt at figuring out anything.

What was the point of bringing attention to it? I don't like how overexaggerated this post is. It was just a simple question.

Looks like I found my first serious scum read this game.

VOTE: insomnia

So what are you scum reading me for again?

[insomnia]

For Ame, I had an initial scum read on profii, nothing too strong, just a gut feeling upon seeing his first vote. I never decided to chase that read but now that Chara voted I thought they had the same idea of scum reading Profii so I decided to vote as well.

The switch on Alchemist I’ll have to explain later this evening because it requires a lot more explaining. It’s not related to the Wimpy - him talk, it’s based on his evaluation on wimpy.

Right now I’m trying to understand Aaron’s vote. It also seems forced, like his Macabre read. I do tend to scum read my voters because I think I’m fairly townie. But I don’t really understand what his progression on me was.

I was also really confrontational as a town and I’d often get backlash from people and Alchemist pushing that without any reason for sorting him felt odd to me. I explained I looked at that post devoid of any context, which is why it felt malicious. I guess I was trying to clear the situation, it was more because I was sympathizing with Wimpy. Idk.

Again, if you read only my post reacting to that, without any context, you’d probably also feel like he just picked on him for his pay style, which, again, I sympathize with.

It just feels out of place, I don’t see the town motivation behind seeing whether someone reacts poorly to pressure. You just see that when it occurs.

[Alchemist21]

It just feels out of place, I don’t see the town motivation behind seeing whether someone reacts poorly to pressure. You just see that when it occurs.

Yeah but a lot of times poor responses lead to more votes and I figured knowing ahead of time would prevent an unnecessary bandwagon for something that’s actually NAI.

[Egix96]

why ask about those votes in particular?

I was curious as to why you had voted profii when (afaict) your only prior mention of him was you +1'ing one of his posts. Now I get that just because you agree with someone on something doesn't mean you have to TR them, but to me your vote still seemed like it was coming out of left field.

As for insom, I found it strange that he was seemingly sheeping a vote with little basis, but I do find his explanation:

For Ame, I had an initial scum read on profii, nothing too strong, just a gut feeling upon seeing his first vote. I never decided to chase that read but now that Chara voted I thought they had the same idea of scum reading Profii so I decided to vote as well.

... to be adequate.

[insomnia]

Alchemist, what does the fact that he responds easily to pressure help you with?

Like, if you push him and he starts panicking what do you do?

[profii]

The question still doesn't help you figure him out though.

It tells me if he’s the type of player to respond poorly to pressure or not which is important to know if he is. His response tells me he’s not that type of player.

Oh no I am

I'm not sure how he got that conclusion

[profii]

Aaron how do you typically feel about the RVS stage of the game?

[insomnia]

The question still doesn't help you figure him out though.

It tells me if he’s the type of player to respond poorly to pressure or not which is important to know if he is. His response tells me he’s not that type of player.

Oh no I am

I'm not sure how he got that conclusion

That's what I was gonna say in my case later tonight. First off, his focus is on trivial stuff, and second, how does he even get that conclusion out of what Wimpy said. It was just about him replacing out if a situation got heated, how did he conclude he doesn't react to pressure. It was about Wimpy starting shit, not the other way around.

That's why I wanna know how Alch connected the dots there.

Town points for you noticing it too tho.

[Wimpy]

I'm not sure how he got that conclusion

Yeah me neither. It’s very suspect

[Wimpy]

VOTE: alchemist
Nothing better atm.

[insomnia]

It's either a really huge misunderstanding, or Alchemist TMI'd Wimpy town and when I pushed him he wanted to appear as if he was doing stuff and actually figuring things out.

The TMI'd him part comes from Alchemist not reading his posts, which I get from him reaching the wrong conclusion. Not once was there a note about Wimpy responding easily to pressure.

And even if there is, the fact that Alchemist focused on that out of all things is still a bad look.

I'm waiting though. Maybe there was some sort of miscommunication going on, or I just don't get how Alch things, regardless, I lean towards Alch being scum for now, mainly because of his focusing and logical leaps.

[profii]

I don’t see the town motivation behind seeing whether someone reacts poorly to pressure. You just see that when it occurs.

You could be like 'ok I know Robbnnva is in the game, lets try not to start a 25 page death tunnel' and that would be sensible... just very precautious I guess.

[insomnia]

Tbh I have a 0/1 read accuracy on Alch, I misread him in another game as well, so I probably shouldn't be the one jumping the gun here. I'll most likely need a sanity check.

I think his playing style is scummy for me regardless. I might have a confirmation bias.

[Wimpy]

Some people think that reacting bad to pressure is a scum thing when it’s a personality thing. I can’t tell you the number of “reaction tests” that I’ve supposedly failed.

[Wimpy]

Profile why did you mention Robbnva? I’ve been accused of being multiple people including him lol

[insomnia]

general willingness to talk to everyone I don’t think that’s the case and put him as slight Town for it.

Can you elaborate on this by the way?

You're reading him town for him interacting with people and saying he doesn't react poorly to pressure and explaining why he subbed out of games??

[profii]

Town points for you noticing it too tho.

Maybe this is because I played in a game where Wimpy replaced out after a protracted argument so I have prior experience...

...But I feel like if you just read the thread it was obvious that Wimpy did not want to invite pressure on himself. I guess my experience of Wimpy made me think "he knows he is liable to arguing and its negative" rather than "he doenst want pressure because he is noob-scum who might slip, must scum read this!"

The point is, no matter which way you justify it, Alch did not come to the obvious conclusion of "wimpy would prefer less pressure" - the reason is irrelevant.

I guess you could kinda say if Alch declares Wimpy as able to deal with pressure, he might encourage another player to pressure Wimpy, which might have an overall negative impact on gamestate if it sets something off, which is pro scum...

but that is obviously massively convoluted and we have seen straight through it, so I can't see it as something someone would think of as optimal scum play.

So I'm not giving scum points out. I'm just confused about it.

But by the same token, I dont feel like you issuing me town points is really warranted because I feel it was obvious that Wimpy did not want pressure... are you trying to pocket me?

[insomnia]

Yeah, that makes more sense now that you explained it.

[Alchemist21]

Alchemist, what does the fact that he responds easily to pressure help you with?

Like, if you push him and he starts panicking what do you do?

I’d probably give him some breathing room. I know I have a tendency to tunnel and I don’t want the knee-jerk reaction from me or anyone to be to take a poor reaction from someone who always reacts poorly as a sign that they’re scum.

Wimpy was talking with the thread even before I said something about him and still is after. If he’s scum trying to avoid pressure I think he’d try to be more under the radar. And when he said he meant he didn’t want 20 page arguments I thought that was a lot more reasonable than what I thought he had meant.