Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[Iconeum]

@Ico - you quoted ari on me, but not Bella or my reactions. Thoughts on that?

It was more jokingly then actually trying to push or shade you. Ari is lacking depth, and what he quoted was true in a funny looking manner to me, but I fully realize that what he quoted is only a part to a larger whole wrt to your reads. If I were to scumcase Ari myself, that would be part of it.

[Xtoxm]

ari was the only person to oppose the duck lynch in a significant way
he was also the proposed alternative lynch which is really low value for scum
+town equity

[Xtoxm]

implo:

v/la to 24th

[teacher]

implo:

v/la to 24th

Great way to take the first two day phases off. Honestly please give board reads before you go.

[teacher]

RCE you mentioned wanting to test me but haven’t really done so I think. Why?

[Iconeum]

Just reread Xtoxm (didn't take very long), but I did get a very free and spewy kind of tone read there. Need to fact check his 3401 tho.

[Iconeum]

ari was the only person to oppose the duck lynch in a significant way
he was also the proposed alternative lynch which is really low value for scum
+town equity

I like your post, but what's your thoughts on RC?

[Iconeum]

Current reads scum TW+RC+Ari

These are all town and you are ridiculous.

Nancy was right about your reads being utter shite!

Actually I agree with this. I had the same thoughts on D1.

Aaaaanyway before I die...

Town: TW, RC, Math, Icon
Lean Town: Skitty, RCE
Null: XtoxLive, Bella
Lean Scum: Teacher, Flopz, Plum, Tris

These reads feel... warm and fuzzy. Personally I'd switch Bella with Skitter, and have Tris/Plum in a 'to sort' pile.

Jezus Math, can we talk about this? I don't scumread Ari

And in extension I still believe RC to be town. If you need pressure on Ari to sort him, I'll push him with you. But I feel a lot more comfortable in actually lynching in Tris/Plum/Flopz today then any other slot.

[RadiantCowbells]

Math I'm playing support for town, you just don't like it because I'm backing up Skitter not you.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ico/Math/RCE/Bella

Ico/Bella/Skitter tier 1
Math/RCE tier 2

Also math a little hypocritical to complain about my game taking overness then to threaten to PL me for not supporting your wagon

[MathBlade]

My team suggested I leave the thread and I am busy today.

Anyone not voting/pushing Ari looks really bad to me because ~reasons~

@Ico sure it can be talked about but when I have Titus and BB agreeing that Ari is scum and practically everyone does they just won’t vote it means you’ve hit scum.

You might be the only person who townreads Ari.

@RC it’s not policy. It’s showing you are scum.

The most likely case is you lied about being an investigative
The most likely case is you had to save Ari when I started working with you.
You are the glue stopping Ari from happening by pocketing Skitter.
Plus there’s the whole TW says you’re scum. I agree with that my team doesn’t care whether you are town or scum.
I see worlds where you could be town but if you won’t lynch scum I don’t care.

[MathBlade]

Just one question Ari

Spicy or bland?

Yes you get no context suck it up.

[RadiantCowbells]

Look uh

I'm not entirely following and because of your vagueness I'll just be direct

Did you jailkeep or variant Aristophanes last night into the no kill

[RadiantCowbells]

The problem with you is your variant of reasons can be anything from

I literally have a mechanical guilty on Ari that you're not voting to

Ari softed Odd-Night Jailkeeper when he said something was odd and is now claiming vig instead and lied and is therefore scum for reasons

I cannot take you at your word for reasons, if you have a mechanical reason to think he's scum outside of you being bulletproof and surviving then please share it because otherwise you've really given me nothing to go on.

There's a very narrow pool of potential Ari partners and we're voting in them anyway, so...

[teacher]

Again, not something that actually matters to me, but would help me understand your thought process- @RC, why’d I leave tier 2?

[RadiantCowbells]

Because my read on you was that I didn't think your associatives with Duck were likely to be SvS. I didn't think scumbuddy you would double down on yes I was absolutely hard defending Duck in that situation when called out for it.

You're still ~null but I have 6 slots above null atm

[MathBlade]

Look uh

I'm not entirely following and because of your vagueness I'll just be direct

Did you jailkeep or variant Aristophanes last night into the no kill

I am being vague for a reason.

Whether or not it’s PR related I will leave up to the smart people.

But do you honestly think there would be a jailkeep and a detective?

Cageyness works really well to get reads.

[Bellaphant]

ari was the only person to oppose the duck lynch in a significant way
he was also the proposed alternative lynch which is really low value for scum
+town equity

I like your post, but what's your thoughts on RC?

Do you really like this? Because it's all bullshit. Lots of people wanted a different lynch than ducks. If he knew he wasn't going to get lynched BC of RC, it's easy town!points to oppose another wagon verbally without doing anything useful yourself - his vote was nowhere at day end.

I think you are town but really? That post sucked and I can't see what you liked.

[RadiantCowbells]

My team suggested I leave the thread and I am busy today.

Anyone not voting/pushing Ari looks really bad to me because ~reasons~

@Ico sure it can be talked about but when I have Titus and BB agreeing that Ari is scum and practically everyone does they just won’t vote it means you’ve hit scum.

You might be the only person who townreads Ari.

@RC it’s not policy. It’s showing you are scum.

The most likely case is you lied about being an investigative
The most likely case is you had to save Ari when I started working with you.
You are the glue stopping Ari from happening by pocketing Skitter.
Plus there’s the whole TW says you’re scum. I agree with that my team doesn’t care whether you are town or scum.
I see worlds where you could be town but if you won’t lynch scum I don’t care.

Do you not see how this is the exact same kind of thing you spent all of yesterday berating me for?

If you case Ari me and Skitter and Ico will read it but this is a supreme example of the kind of read from you that doesn't make sense and goes nowhere a la RC TW scumteam

I'm trying to not be divisive any more than necessary but you're kind of bullying a bunch of people to vote with you after being mad at me for such

[RadiantCowbells]

Also pocket is such a buzzword and such a terrible way to read me

When I rolled town in 2058 where NSG was also present I think I spent like 3 dozen posts just trying to engage her on trivial things and make sure she got as into the game as possible and such

That's not an outlier and me going out of my way to be friends is at worst not a scumtell for me. Especially when I'm trying to move past D1

[RadiantCowbells]

My problem with this game is I'm pretty sure that if Ari isn't scum with exactly Plum Tris the obvious answers don't hold all the scum because there's too many not-team associatives in the scumpool. Like I find it hard to see Flopz scum with Plum and Tris? The blanks are easier to incorrectly fill in for you guys by assuming that I'm scum but from the point of view of knowing that I'm town something doesn't add up unless we concede that Plum considers herself deepwolf carry and has no issues casually throwing her scummates under the bus.

[RadiantCowbells]

Which is another reason I'm reluctant to fight to keep my slot alive, I think there's value in knowing that you're wrong on me and that TW team reads aren't generally worth treating as gospel

[MathBlade]

My team suggested I leave the thread and I am busy today.

Anyone not voting/pushing Ari looks really bad to me because ~reasons~

@Ico sure it can be talked about but when I have Titus and BB agreeing that Ari is scum and practically everyone does they just won’t vote it means you’ve hit scum.

You might be the only person who townreads Ari.

@RC it’s not policy. It’s showing you are scum.

The most likely case is you lied about being an investigative
The most likely case is you had to save Ari when I started working with you.
You are the glue stopping Ari from happening by pocketing Skitter.
Plus there’s the whole TW says you’re scum. I agree with that my team doesn’t care whether you are town or scum.
I see worlds where you could be town but if you won’t lynch scum I don’t care.

Do you not see how this is the exact same kind of thing you spent all of yesterday berating me for?

If you case Ari me and Skitter and Ico will read it but this is a supreme example of the kind of read from you that doesn't make sense and goes nowhere a la RC TW scumteam

I'm trying to not be divisive any more than necessary but you're kind of bullying a bunch of people to vote with you after being mad at me for such

Lol this is a bit blunt.

It is not bullying however. I am not spamming and stopping others from playing.

I am just saying that I scumread Ari because reasons. And anyone who doesn’t do it looks worse because reasons.

You look really bad for suggesting a PR combo that is in no way balanced.

Now when I take a stand you’re trying to twist it around and say I am the bully because I point out your flaws in voting Ari.

All this is is blunt. Continue to push Plum and people will see how scummy you are.

[MathBlade]

Which is another reason I'm reluctant to fight to keep my slot alive, I think there's value in knowing that you're wrong on me and that TW team reads aren't generally worth treating as gospel

Why are you so intent on you dying before Ari Mr supposed PR?

[MathBlade]

In not voting Ari**