Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

[Eddie Cane]

im not looking to argue about something like meta.

the nk was shite and we all know it. if you really think I'm q good you'd know i plan my nks out very well, bus hard instead of flipflop, and sound most reasonable when scum

Woah let's not get carried away

Pine might have been a doc read. It might be because Pops was hard bussed. It might he to cause paranoia. It might be because of something he said to scum!bob, about his partner or whatever. Might be fear of his reads. Who knows. I do NKA, but in situations like this where we are up it seems fruitless. The Pine kill is not wild to me, he was on the town side of things already.

You didnt do anything hard this game. And I think you do sound reasonable? You were generally town read day 1.

[pisskop]

k.

again, not looking to argue.

[Eddie Cane]

egocentric babbling

If you're going to be a dick I'm going to just vote you. Lol. It's not egocentric, its wagonomics that remains true regardless of who I am. You did this shit about the night kill too.


You asked what you did that I think was scummy. I'm engaging in good faith discussion. If you arent looking to argue, why even ask?

[pisskop]

if you're going to make the game about you I'm going to call you RClite

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Pisskop

[pisskop]

there ya go champ

[Eddie Cane]

If counterwagon to scum

Scum equity for voters +++

5 voters to look at

1 dead scum

2 very town

=2 people with higher scum equity than rand



Is that better?

[Titus]

Votecount 1.18

Pine (4) -

Hectic, Amrun, Krazy, Nancy Drew 39

NaCl (3) -

Pine, pisskop, Titus

Hectic (1) -

Elsa Jay

Titus (1) -

bob3141

Amrun (1) -

popsofctown

Something_Smart (1) -

DrDolittle

DrDolittle (1) -

OkaPoka

popsofctown (1) -

Eddie Cane

Not Voting (2) -

Something_Smart, NaCl

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Votecount 1.19

popsofctown (5) -

Eddie Cane, Amrun, Something_Smart, pisskop, Elsa Jay

Pine (3) -

Hectic, Krazy, Nancy Drew 39

NaCl (2) -

Pine, Titus

Titus (1) -

bob3141

Something_Smart (1) -

DrDolittle

DrDolittle (1) -

OkaPoka

Eddie Cane (1) -

popsofctown

Not Voting (1) -

NaCl

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Votecount 1.20

popsofctown (5) -

Eddie Cane, Amrun, Something_Smart, pisskop, Elsa Jay

Pine (3) -

Hectic, Krazy, Nancy Drew 39

NaCl (2) -

Pine, Titus

Titus (1) -

bob3141

Something_Smart (1) -

DrDolittle

DrDolittle (1) -

OkaPoka

Eddie Cane (1) -

popsofctown

Not Voting (1) -

NaCl

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

@Micc:

Am I allowed to copy-paste anything from our hood? I want to give an update on my journal entries.

No.

I am looking at the wagons and eyeball suspect NaCl and Nancy.

[pisskop]

oh look, actual VCA

thanks Titus

[pisskop]

glad to have actual useful spec

[Eddie Cane]

In role call and project arch, you seem like less of a prick. Perhaps it's purely disdain for me, I didnt see a scum game and your egosearch has a lot of not-games.

[Eddie Cane]

glad to have actual useful spec

Yea, pointing out two slots that are probably town is useful spec.

[Eddie Cane]

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My team has basically cleared Nancy as town, specifically Dann, and I largely agree.

Do you think NaCl is scummy for not voting? That is the read I'm more open to being wrong on.

[Eddie Cane]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

This is conveniently a game NaCl was scum with Pops, if anybody wants to compare.

[Eddie Cane]

Hmm... NaCl might not be town. Lol

[NaCl]

I would still like #3026 answered by someone? Anyone? Perhaps

Yeah, I feel the same way. I don't really like the way unwnd was going around on his teammates and lying about it, it seems like a really weird reaction to say they they first refused to give help and then that he didn't really want it. I don't see why he wouldn't just say that from the start.

Also, I feel really ignored about Hectic. To me it really feels like he and Pops have been soft-defending each other for most of the time, not really putting firm stances on each other but acting in ways to quietly defend the other. Does anyone else see this?

I want your read on me from a standpoint of our last game played, out of curiosity.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by it but tell me if you meant something other than this.

I think you looked way townier in Assassins. You were more open with giving opinions on people specifically compared to here where you've been more quiet. I also don't know if you've caught up on the game and why your team isn't helping you or why you lied about it in the first place. Your tone of your response in 2500 feels much more like what I'd have expected you to say rather than lying about your reasons or your teams reasons for not catching you up. But you just don't feel the same kind of person as you were there, you feel more guarded her whereas you were blunter there. I don't really know how to describe it.


I've got a couple questions about your team.
1. Which person on your team invited you into Team Mafia to replace Krazy?
2. Does your team know your alignment and role PM?

Okay well the actual game I want to see is tiered reads lists from everyone, could I get one please piss? I consider you a good player, which is why some of your play concerns me. And Amrun's reasons for town reading you are fair, but i think apply less because of your experience.

Town (most towny to least towny): DDL > Eddie > S_S > Amrun > Bob > ND
Null: Okapoka, Titus
Scum (most scummy to least scummy): Hectic > Elsa > Unwnd > Pisskop

Among the nulls I'm feeling pretty good on Okapoka but he's just not there yet, I still don't understand Titus.
I'm really fine with lynching anyone in my scumpool but that's the order that I find it most likely.

[Titus]

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My team has basically cleared Nancy as town, specifically Dann, and I largely agree.

Do you think NaCl is scummy for not voting? That is the read I'm more open to being wrong on.

1.18
My concern is the way the wagon flips. We know Pine and Amrun are town. Most of the non-participants in the top two wagons are town. I also know I'm town. The Pine death was unlikely a doc hunt given his early replies.

1.19
The same names from NaCl form the pops wagon, minus Pine but a bit slower. The first two are locktown. Elsa probably isn't scum due to earlier wagons (which I can elaborate on if needed). So if pops was a bus it would have to be SS or pisskop.

1.20

The NaCl wagon stays static, along with the Pine wagon. We know Pine is town. The question is why wouldn't scum collapse on Pine or NaCl? The best answers seem to be the wagons are overloaded or hard bus.

Given how contentions the Eddie lynch was, I struggle to believe a hard bus happened.

1.22

Eddie wagon springs up instead of scum coalescing on Pine or NaCl. This likely rules out a hard bus. If you disagree, the hard busser has to be SS. However, it seems more likely scum would jump on his neighbor because pops flipping scum would conftown Eddie. Having a dead Eddie first is a huge boon.

The big thought is why not jump on Pine or NaCl. My guess is Nancy did but no town followed. Given scum saw the stall, they jumped on Eddie instead.

1.25

OkaPoka jumps off Eddie to join me on Dr.Doolittle. This may be wrong but Oka is jumping off the best mislynch to join me. That strongly suggests he's town.

1.End

Nancy votes various wagons as they form, including unwind as his wagon forms. She winds up on Pops after his lynch is inevitable. The only wagon she doesn't really vote NaCl. Nancy's been really sheepy though.



I am thinking Nancy + NaCl OR pisskop and ?.

VOTE: Nancy

[pisskop]

In role call and project arch, you seem like less of a prick. Perhaps it's purely disdain for me, I didnt see a scum game and your egosearch has a lot of not-games.

hunh.

i have like 130+ games onsite

[pisskop]

Titus, i really think it's elsa over Nancy

[pisskop]

you're right eddie, I'm a little irritated over irl rn

when i get off the phone ill try again.

fwiw i see why you're considered a great player

[Titus]

Votecount 1.02

Elsa Jay (3) -

NaCl, popsofctown, DrDoolittle

Titus (1) -

Elsa Jay

Nancy Drew 30 (1) -

OkaPoka

Hectic (1) -

Krazy

DrDolittle (1) -

Nancy Drew 39

Not Voting (8) -

Eddie Cane, Titus, Something_Smart, Pine, Hectic, pisskop, Amrun, bob3141

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Votecount 1.15

Pine (3) -

Hectic, Amrun, Krazy

NaCl (3) -

Pine, pisskop, Titus

Hectic (2) -

Elsa Jay, Nancy Drew 39

OkaPoka (1) -

NaCl

Titus (1) -

bob3141

Amrun (1) -

popsofctown

Something_Smart (1) -

DrDolittle

Krazy (1) -

Eddie Cane

DrDolittle (1) -

OkaPoka

Not Voting (1) -

Something_Smart

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Here's two reasons why I disagree.

Scum are unlikely to bus early in RVS, as the attention to the slot is bad in a game like this. Second, most everyone was against outing the hoods. Putting pressure on Elsa indirectly supports my idea.

Second is Nancy's movement. Nancy hard townreads Elsa. So her vote makes sense in thread context. Yet the NaCl wagon is a thing. Nancy sheeps a lot if wagons on the back end but avoids the NaCl one.

[Eddie Cane]

you're right eddie, I'm a little irritated over irl rn

when i get off the phone ill try again.

fwiw i see why you're considered a great player

It's okay I can be arrogant and a dick, and I played d1 scummy so I wouldnt get nkd so if you're town misreading me was fine.

Calling me RC is like a trigger word tho

[Titus]

Calling me RC is like a trigger word tho

*hug*

[Hectic]

I'm not saying your third vote is scummy/bad, I'm saying it doesn't give you towncred because a Pops lynch was decided there.

Your first vote was a complete joke then? Do you remember who you were scumreading at the time? Were you scumreading Pops?

So what info did you gain from seeing who pushed Eddie/Pops after your vote on Eddie?

^Elsa

^Jay

[Hectic]

@NaCl: Is there any reason for not putting your vote down for the entirety of the end of Day 1?

Pissy being antagonistic to Eddie recently is pinging me. There's no reason to aggravate an IC as scum, so I think Pissy's trying to project himself as an annoyed townie who's doing that? Idk, it felt like abrasiveness out of nothing to me.