Newbie 1976 Dead PT

[Menalque]

oh i see, its bit confusing

It’s 5 now

[Menalque]

Also I do think he scumslipped eg why would I kill Kanna instead of you? that’s a clumsy argument and doesn’t point to Norway anyway? One of you guys killed me

Why do you think this is a scumslip?

[Naerys]

Anyway, my pick for lynch would be Norway. He looked more scummy through the game than Phoenix

[Kanna]

@Mena; those are good points. Do you still think it’s Norway rn?

[Menalque]

@Mena; those are good points. Do you still think it’s Norway rn?

Yes, pretty strongly

I just reread phoenix in iso and I think his call outs on map come out at odd times to be a partner

I also trust other people who are SRing as confirmations of what I think are scummy behaviours

Am I certain? No.

Am I confident enough that I would have voted for him by now? Yes

[Menalque]

If Phoenix

is

scum I think he’s played excellently, for the record.

I see the possibility of him being lurky/quiet scum who’s been letting town take the heat for pushes but then that’s town’s fault for not pushing him more earlier. I think the Map Wolf vote was good and I don’t think it was at all inevitable at that point. To me the half-push on naerys (who Norway had been townreading throughout up to that point, and that he gave up as soon as it was called out) when Map Wolf started building makes me think that was a bus that he second guessed, more than I think Map Wolf’s L-1 was a bus

[Kanna]

Also I do think he scumslipped eg why would I kill Kanna instead of you? that’s a clumsy argument and doesn’t point to Norway anyway? One of you guys killed me

Why do you think this is a scumslip?

It’s hard to explain so sorry if it doesn’t make sense but it’s like, say you did something bad and the other person knows you did it so you say “but can you prove it?” That kind of feeling?

[Kanna]

Hhhh terrible explanation sorry

[Menalque]

Do you remember which page it was?

[Kanna]

Side question: If I'm scum, why bring you to LyLo instead of killing you N1, given the fact that if we look only at D1, pretty much everyone had agreed that you are Town?

This was the part I was talking about and mb Norway didn't call this a scumslip; that was something else that I'll maybe comment on after this.

To me, it's like, "can you prove it was me?" knowing there isn't a definite answer?

[Kanna]

Side question: If I'm scum, why bring you to LyLo instead of killing you N1, given the fact that if we look only at D1, pretty much everyone had agreed that you are Town?

Probably because of PR hunting, or they thought

i would look scummy enough when GBJ was mislynched

.

I don't know where you get that from, GBJ didn't do himself any favors.

Yeah you're right there. I think what happened is that scum looked at the gamestate and decided that Kanna's more refrained apprached signalled a PR slot and they chose her as the N1 kill.

Possible. Still I'd probably go for the most townie-seeming player by that point, you, in that case, and hope he's also one of the Masons.

Also this was the thing Norway called a slip. I actually don't really agree with that, but Phoenix later was like "oh yeah my bad" which feels like an admission of guilt. I think a townie would be like "no it's not?"

[Kanna]

Oh dear, Datisi is suffering in the mason thread

[Kanna]

But I do know who she wants to vote

[Kanna]

Overall, I'm really not confident so I'm glad I'm not there lol

[Menalque]

I think norway is making huge stretches to try and paint any little thing that phoenix has done all game as scummy

It’s possible that that’s just town who’s now conf!biased from knowing that they’re against conf!scum

But I think it looks very scummy to be trying to spin things that I think are very NAI for Phoenix into reasons that he’s scum

[Menalque]

But I do know who she wants to vote

Please, god, tell me it’s Norway

[Menalque]

But you using me not remembering that fact against me is fair enough, I must say. Well played.

This is what you mean? I think this is a towny response, especially considering what it’s in relation to:

Possible. Still I'd probably go for the most townie-seeming player by that point, you, in that case,

This isn't really a point that proves your towniness, because scum!you could easily decide to go for someone else and later frame me by saying: "the reason Norwee wasn't killed on N1 is because he's mafia."

hope he's also one of the Masons.

I love this line,

why would you speculate that the scum would: "hope he's one of the masons" unless scum!you was at that point, acutely aware that the town PR's were likely to be masons, and you're bringing that memory with you here and not concealing it

?

This is really bad imo, bc there’s no reason to think that Phoenix would have been assuming a mason over either of the other two roles that you could have been given what scum knew at the time. In fact there was only a 33% chance of it being a mason set up, so assuming that doesn’t make any sense from phoenix’s pov.

The fact that Norway is trying to paint that, something which clearly makes no sense when considered for half a second, into something that paints Phoenix as scummy who “remembered” killing you because he thought you were a mason vs just a general PR, is very scummy imo.

[Naerys]

Datisiiiiii
my fingers are crossed!

[Naerys]

oh dont tell me -.-
well, bad play for Norway then