White Flag - TM2020

[Dunnstral]

Skimming the last two pages I like BBmolla for town too, but I don't remember him from the early game at all.

This statement in particular seems to come from a town viewpoint.

I'm not at all sold on a Gobble lynch.

FF, your team was giving you inputs: can you specify what exactly?

Why is it implausible disengaged scum Gobble would forgetfully post this?

I didn't like gobble's vote there, though.

Is there something in the progression of his vote that you don't like or is it more bad news bears because you think he's scummy in general? I'm very unsure on gobble right now because there's sort of a black hole in progressions for how he got to his original big read wall. WATCHING ACTIVITY LEVELS was bizarrely political phrasing for the absence. Now he uhhh, apparently likes everyone he used to dislike more besides Dongempire. I thought him liking FF for the burden of proof thing was random because it seemed like one of the more nai things in FF iso to me, but the overall progression on the read doesn't come off implausibly to me on face.

It felt like they turned on FF as soon as they could and that their read there was fake

I'm honestly wondering if Gobble's team told him to act a certain way around me or what. It's like, half of his posts seem really scummy and then when he comes back he sounds reasonable

Right now he is doing the reasonable part

NSG is openly scumclaiming

[Dannflor]

how is she doing that?

[Dunnstral]

NSG, why not vote Gobble?

No, I'm just letting it speak for itself. How about you answer Dunnstral's more relevant question?

OK, well we need to lynch now, and not just day 2, NSG. Why are you voting Formerfish over Gobble?

[Dunnstral]

She said her team thought gobble was scum and then said FF is the only wagon she can see flipping scum

And then she won't answer to numerous inquiries about what is going on

Plus her play when she comes back is pretty blatantly scum

[CheekyTeeky]

and rc wanted me to say that dunn's reads are basically the same as his

okay he's bothering me to say that he specifically means on gobbles

VOTE: formerfish

i think this is the only current wagon likely to hit scum.

There's about 800 posts between these so I'm not 100% sold that NSG is scum because she changed her mind on an early game read from her team.

I do agree that the lack of explanation is annoying but it remains to be seen whether or not she can back this up tomorrow. If not then I'd agree with lynching her D2.

[Dannflor]

she's site-flaked in general the last few days, while it's frustrating she has very little to offer here idk how alignment indicative that actually is considering, same goes for not being able to answer every post flung at her when she came back

[Cephrir]

I agree with dunn.

Theres "not being able to answer" and then there's "scumposting with no effort to answer."

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm tempted to CFD Dunn.

[Dannflor]

I'm gonna need more than "her posts coming back were blatantly scum"

because while I don't agree with how she approached this game, I think it's reasonable for her to not want to dive into efforting this game with such limited amount of time left.

Even if you're right and she is obviously scum, we lose so much if she's town that it's just smarter to give her D2, and if this persists, kill it with fire. You'd have more luck convincing me on a Gobble CFD tbh

NSG has 100% ability to town tell if she is given the proper time. Formerfish has well over 100 posts and there is very little to town read him for.

[Dannflor]

Both NSG and FF are playing survivalistically and a little slimy tbh

but NSG at least is being honest about it while FF is throwing out AtE. I don't like either one but I can see NSG's posts coming from a town mindset/strategy more than I can see a town!FF.

And I don't think NSG becomes *harder* to catch D2

[Dannflor]

Like, I'm sorry. I know everyone hates what she's doing and are offended and want to kill her for it. But some part of it at least makes sense. town!NSG DOES want to survive till late game, and on that team she does have a target on her back. Does that mean she has to be town? No, but her putting her attention on other games and failing to have presence here D1 is not as automatic a scum indicator as people seem to believe.

It's possible I'm completely wrong and she's still just-scum™, but I can see her playing out the game this way as both alignments. Sorry FF if you're town, but I'd rather take NSG later into the game than you as it stands.

[Dannflor]

Also like, FF's response to getting wagoned is to act super defeatist

He's not giving reads and he's not trying to sort, he's just trying to make everyone feel bad and voting his counter wagon that he wasn't scum reading before. The townie response should be to leave your final thoughts with town when it looks like you're gonna die

like FF, if you are town here, you are doing nothing to help me or anyone else see it

[BBmolla]

This is a mistake - NSG is scumclaiming right now

Oh no she might flee tonight!

Oh wait

[gobbledygook]

I'm at the point now that if nsg is town and lynched I don't really care because today most people seem fixated on it and that is going to mess up how the game reads D1.

Ugh.

I mean it is possible that she’s scum and had these real life obligations, but I rereading her iso she said she was choosing to ignore this game which is really weird to me

Can you explain this more?

I don’t get why she would choose to ignore this game. It seems weird to me because she is functionally a hydra with RadiantCowbells. That is something, if town, scum will want to nuke. It is too good left alive. I don’t get the refusal to actually engage with the game when she and RC would know that even despite a purposeful “low content” game, it is still highly likely the slot would die.

It was also weird to me because it seemed like there wasn’t much her team would need help with at the time. I could be wrong because I’ve been in and out, but I think one of the games her team is playing was in might phase at the time of that post

[gobbledygook]

What does CFD mean?

[Dannflor]

chinese fire drill

everyone switches votes to another lynch target last moment

NSG for the past several days has site-flaked entirely, that's why I buy her internet issues excuse. Before then she was active elsewhere and very open about doing so.

[gobbledygook]

@Gobble

where are you at with Ceph? I feel like that's the main progression from you I don't understand and that the window for asking about hasn't sorta passed on

One of my weaker town reads I would say. I’m gonna post a readslist when I wake up tomorrow in case I’m hammered at work

[Formerfish]

NSG wasn't playing when her teams games were playing because they needed her there. Then a bunch of those games went to night phase and we still have no NSG. Then she comes in and cries connectivity issues.

I play 90% of my time on my phone and that shit connect anywhere. And making a post takes fucking seconds.

Dann you can go fuck yourself.

[CheekyTeeky]

FF do you still think Dann is scum?

[Dannflor]

FF reads list please?

[Formerfish]

Sorry FF if you're town, but I'd rather take NSG later into the game than you as it stands.

I'd hang him just for this comment.

Thanks for letting me know that a fucking empty space is better than having me around Dann.

[CheekyTeeky]

Thoughts on lynching Dunn?

[Formerfish]

FF reads list please?

Fuck off.

[Formerfish]

Thoughts on lynching Dunn?

Negative.

[gobbledygook]

Sorry FF if you're town, but I'd rather take NSG later into the game than you as it stands.

I'd hang him just for this comment.

Thanks for letting me know that a fucking empty space is better than having me around Dann.

Yeah honestly this is the type of reasoning for why NSG’s self imposed exile is weird but I seem to be alone in that thought