Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

Titus · Post Post #3550 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:03 am

In post 3547, Hectic wrote:
In post 2469, popsofctown wrote:I want to marry post 2466, save up a 401k with it and retire in florida, then relax on the beach together while complaining about the condo association raising the prices and how culture needs to stop changing
I was gonna point out how I don't see anything Pops did before Pissy's flip on her to be considered as pocketing or a reason to change his mind, but then I noticed the above post...

Then why doesn't pops say Pisskop's name?

pisskop · Post Post #3551 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:04 am

because its a pocket, and not a false association?

Titus · Post Post #3552 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:08 am

In post 3551, pisskop wrote:because its a pocket, and not a false association?

Nah, not feeling it. Also, it seems to be the kind of thing that would benefit scum to remove outside voices. It also feels to distant to be a pocket.

Join me on NaCl. I'm sure either you or Nancy are his partner. I have no interest in an Elsa Jay wagon. So if the NaCl wagon doesn't start, you know where I'll vote.

pisskop · Post Post #3553 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:10 am

pisskop · Post Post #3554 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:11 am

oh look, NaCls not going anywhere.

Go get a discussion on salt going and then threaten me like you have control over the game

Titus · Post Post #3555 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:18 am

In post 3554, pisskop wrote:oh look, NaCls not going anywhere.

Go get a discussion on salt going and then threaten me like you have control over the game

No, it's pretty clear I'm not in charge. I wanted Nancy to sort her and got shot down.

I am shifting to my next most confident read.

It's just a fact though if I can't get the two things I want going, I'll compromise on the third.

That's not a statement of control. It's a statement of reality.

Titus · Post Post #3556 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:28 am

Your move Pisskop. If you don't move in 24 hours, I'll likely vote you. I may shorten it at my discretion.

OkaPoka · Post Post #3557 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:44 am

What was Elsa's town moment @titus?

Titus · Post Post #3558 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:47 am

In post 3557, OkaPoka wrote:What was Elsa's town moment @titus?

The Vcs. Pops voted her early for her aggressive stance against outing the hectic hood. Scum tend not to be the second vote on the wagon in what is essentially RVS.

OkaPoka · Post Post #3559 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:49 am

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Do you have a source?

Titus · Post Post #3560 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:58 am

In post 3559, OkaPoka wrote:...

Do you have a source?

For?

OkaPoka · Post Post #3561 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:01 am

Claim that scum tend to not second vote

OkaPoka · Post Post #3562 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:01 am

Like I need to know how you collected the data, because if you there are misleading ways to collect that info

OkaPoka · Post Post #3563 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:02 am

I dont know why if you snuck in there

Titus · Post Post #3564 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:06 am

? I do VCA based on my experience and what commonly occurs. It's strong enough to where I have no interest voting EJ today. Is it lock clear? Nope. I rarely have that type of confidence and if I do, I won't shut up about it.

If you're interested, you can grab a sample of completed games and check the data. I have no problem with that. I just use common sense.

Titus · Post Post #3565 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:08 am

Maybe Chemist is familiar with my VCA tactics but I don't think anyone else on your team would be.

OkaPoka · Post Post #3566 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:09 am

The problem is with a claim like that you need a large datasets because inherently there are less scum so looking at a couple games can be very misleading

I like vca but this is wack

pisskop · Post Post #3567 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:32 am

its also weak.

scum tend to not be the second vote in rvs?

pisskop · Post Post #3568 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:32 am

think about that. really think

pisskop · Post Post #3569 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:32 am

im absolutely positive ive done just that -on page 1- before.

Titus · Post Post #3570 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:31 am

In post 3566, OkaPoka wrote:The problem is with a claim like that you need a large datasets because inherently there are less scum so looking at a couple games can be very misleading

I like vca but this is wack

My VCA has been a tactic I use for most of my time on this site. It's something that people nag for if I don't do it by D3 and 1 scumflip because that's when it's most reliable.

I like the hood claims because it let's me check my work. If I come back with an impossible scumteam, I messed up.

I eyeballed it because I don't have the time to color all VCs (ideal). Then VCA becomes a matter of determining what scum want and what they are likely to do.

It can be combined with behavior as well. One common flaw is that I tend to suspect someone who is a townbeard aka agency captured (townie unwittingly working for scum). I suspect that's Nancy here but I am uncertain.

Titus · Post Post #3571 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:32 am

It's much harder to fake as scum because I must welcome people to check it, and I have to have an agenda in doing it. That's why the pressure to do if said conditions are met.

Titus · Post Post #3572 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:45 am

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 7#p6074047

The above link is an ideal example when not stressed and I have the time to put into it. It's also old, so you can see my theories are not based on a couple of games.

OkaPoka · Post Post #3573 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:05 am

im not contesting the value of vca or your ability to use it

im saying locking elsa as town because of pops voting her second in rvs based on unknown data is bad for the war effort and your nation needs you

Micc · Post Post #3574 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:16 am