Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[MathBlade]

I don't think anyone thinks that there's a "small chance" that I'm town. I think most of your townblock townreads me outright. The only people scumreading me in this game as far as I'm aware are yourself and Skitter30 and Skitter30 isn't actually interested in pursuing my lynch, for whatever reason. Why are you misrepping that?

Why is disagreeing with you misrepping? This is the type of thing that got TW mislynched.

I mean. Literally you stated an untrue thing. Your townblock besides Skitter all has me as some vein of reasonably strong townread.
TW stated a bunch of untrue things and got mislynched for it. That doesn't make it my problem. It's objectively a fact that, for example, claiming investigative isn't an excuse to survive.

It’s really hard to explain.

Less hedgy is my best guess at it.

Deliberate, surgeon like but with a purpose.

I don't buy this and I strongly suggest reevaluating this before endgame.

He only got lynched because BBMolla and Titus backed you up.

With worsts flip you’re a null to them.

You make it between you and RCE and you lose.

I may be bad at hunting scum but my townreads (exception Civ) are generally good.

[RCEnigma]

I don't think anyone thinks that there's a "small chance" that I'm town. I think most of your townblock townreads me outright. The only people scumreading me in this game as far as I'm aware are yourself and Skitter30 and Skitter30 isn't actually interested in pursuing my lynch, for whatever reason. Why are you misrepping that?

Why is disagreeing with you misrepping? This is the type of thing that got TW mislynched.

I mean. Literally you stated an untrue thing. Your townblock besides Skitter all has me as some vein of reasonably strong townread.
TW stated a bunch of untrue things and got mislynched for it. That doesn't make it my problem. It's objectively a fact that, for example, claiming investigative isn't an excuse to survive.

It’s really hard to explain.

Less hedgy is my best guess at it.

Deliberate, surgeon like but with a purpose.

I don't buy this and I strongly suggest reevaluating this before endgame.

Claiming investigative is undoubtedly drawing a protective. "Why didn't RC die night 1?" "Oh he claimed investigative day 1, scum can't afford to shoot there" "makes sense."

I thought it was scummy day 1. And then you opened day 2 with the assertion that scum knew the nature of your investigative so avoided killing anyone to evade you. What?

[RadiantCowbells]

I will never stop being fine with being lynched in this gamestate.

[MathBlade]

You replace a low poster. But like, it doesn't matter.

It really does matter. It tells me you have stronger feelings about Teacher as scum as well as saying I could be a scumteam with Teacher and RC in your eyes, which is kind of out there tbh.

I started callong Teacher scummy out of the gates and when I had a chance to rethink that, I instead doubled down on it. How would we be possible teammates in your eyes?

Teacher scum relies on RC scum but the other reads are independent.

Also everyone is playing the associative game with 0 scumflips. Which is cool if that's what you do but has no bearing for me if all we're flipping is town.

Which is why Ari is just scum and independently bad.

Ari town pushes...

Where is Ari’s push?

[RadiantCowbells]

Claiming investigative is undoubtedly drawing a protective. "Why didn't RC die night 1?" "Oh he claimed investigative day 1, scum can't afford to shoot there" "makes sense."

I thought it was scummy day 1. And then you opened day 2 with the assertion that scum knew the nature of your investigative so avoided killing anyone to evade you. What?

I literally claimed detective on day one. And how is claiming investigative any more drawing of a protective than literally just being me?

[Aristophanes]

You replace a low poster. But like, it doesn't matter.

It really does matter. It tells me you have stronger feelings about Teacher as scum as well as saying I could be a scumteam with Teacher and RC in your eyes, which is kind of out there tbh.

I started callong Teacher scummy out of the gates and when I had a chance to rethink that, I instead doubled down on it. How would we be possible teammates in your eyes?

Teacher scum relies on RC scum but the other reads are independent.

Also everyone is playing the associative game with 0 scumflips. Which is cool if that's what you do but has no bearing for me if all we're flipping is town.

I mean, I'm just saying your proposed team makes no sense with me there. I don't think RC should be lynched, so what would a Teacher lynch do for your reads on RC and the remaining slot, depending on his alignment of course.

[MathBlade]

I don't think anyone thinks that there's a "small chance" that I'm town. I think most of your townblock townreads me outright. The only people scumreading me in this game as far as I'm aware are yourself and Skitter30 and Skitter30 isn't actually interested in pursuing my lynch, for whatever reason. Why are you misrepping that?

Why is disagreeing with you misrepping? This is the type of thing that got TW mislynched.

I mean. Literally you stated an untrue thing. Your townblock besides Skitter all has me as some vein of reasonably strong townread.
TW stated a bunch of untrue things and got mislynched for it. That doesn't make it my problem. It's objectively a fact that, for example, claiming investigative isn't an excuse to survive.

It’s really hard to explain.

Less hedgy is my best guess at it.

Deliberate, surgeon like but with a purpose.

I don't buy this and I strongly suggest reevaluating this before endgame.

Claiming investigative is undoubtedly drawing a protective. "Why didn't RC die night 1?" "Oh he claimed investigative day 1, scum can't afford to shoot there" "makes sense."

I thought it was scummy day 1. And then you opened day 2 with the assertion that scum knew the nature of your investigative so avoided killing anyone to evade you. What?

Only way RC is scum is if scum no killed and <redacted> who crumbed doc who healed me is scum.

Back off.

This is not the right play.

I want RC policied for his play. But that doesn’t make him scum. I have to restrain myself but he’s been talking and chilling he’s trying to cooperate don’t mess this up.

[RadiantCowbells]

Basically here's where I'm at RN

{RC, Mathblade, Bellaphant, Iconeum, Flopz}
{Plum, Teacher} - probably town
{Skitter30} - like on an intellectual level i have a lot of reasons to scumread her but i don't feel it and i think i would feel it if she was scum so... town?
leaving
{Ari, Tris, Xtoxm, RCE}

[RadiantCowbells]

The read in there that probably confuses the most people is Plum, but like I think that her iso is a lot harder to fake than it looks to an untrained eye
So... even if we lynch me we can obliterate the entire pool of people that I think contains all the scum

[RCEnigma]

Where did you explicitly claim detective? And then the better question is why? If you feel it's the bulk of towns power AND that big is the antisynergy to that .

[Aristophanes]

You replace a low poster. But like, it doesn't matter.

It really does matter. It tells me you have stronger feelings about Teacher as scum as well as saying I could be a scumteam with Teacher and RC in your eyes, which is kind of out there tbh.

I started callong Teacher scummy out of the gates and when I had a chance to rethink that, I instead doubled down on it. How would we be possible teammates in your eyes?

Teacher scum relies on RC scum but the other reads are independent.

Also everyone is playing the associative game with 0 scumflips. Which is cool if that's what you do but has no bearing for me if all we're flipping is town.

Which is why Ari is just scum and independently bad.

Ari town pushes...

Where is Ari’s push?

Math.

I'm having conversation with people to glean intent and reads better. There is little to push because everything comes back to either myself or RC as scum and I disagree on all accounts there.

I am working on establishig where people sit so I know who has scum intent.

Why is any of this scummy?

[RadiantCowbells]

Same reason that I claimed investigative in the first place

I wanted to claim so that everyone could trust me and work with me without the shadow of my scum game hanging over the lobby safe in the knowledge that I was eventually going to self resolve as scum.

I don't buy your push on me at all. I don't buy your original scumread on me either. I think your team deliberately pulled that to set me off.

[MathBlade]

The read in there that probably confuses the most people is Plum, but like I think that her iso is a lot harder to fake than it looks to an untrained eye
So... even if we lynch me we can obliterate the entire pool of people that I think contains all the scum

If I am wrong on RCE and RCE is scum it’s with Xtom and not Tris

Xtom’s post about warning to be careful seems meant for scum PT, but Xtom is such a low poster it’s hard to tell.

But no matter what in that world Ari goes first.

I am almost never a scum kill when townread because I can be shaded

That means I am right on Ari more often that not.

[RadiantCowbells]

If I am wrong on RCE and RCE is scum it’s with Xtom and not Tris

strong disagree

rce-tris is the single worst looking associative pairing in the game right now to my eyes.

[RadiantCowbells]

like there's Tris/Plum on an objective level but... I just struggle to see Plum as scum even when I deliberately try to push that.
There's also Teacher-Tris/plum pairing but like I think a lot of people had that same idea that the two were kinda interchangeable and I was more interested in how he reacted to that being called out than the pairing itself.

[RCEnigma]

You replace a low poster. But like, it doesn't matter.

It really does matter. It tells me you have stronger feelings about Teacher as scum as well as saying I could be a scumteam with Teacher and RC in your eyes, which is kind of out there tbh.

I started callong Teacher scummy out of the gates and when I had a chance to rethink that, I instead doubled down on it. How would we be possible teammates in your eyes?

Teacher scum relies on RC scum but the other reads are independent.

Also everyone is playing the associative game with 0 scumflips. Which is cool if that's what you do but has no bearing for me if all we're flipping is town.

I mean, I'm just saying your proposed team makes no sense with me there. I don't think RC should be lynched, so what would a Teacher lynch do for your reads on RC and the remaining slot, depending on his alignment of course.

A Teacher flip doesn't do a lot for me because I don't really have him tied to any other slots aside from RC but I can't say I've looked that deep into it.

I said I intended to test teacher Day 1 but haven't really found an avenue to do so and I'd feel better with real time interaction there to gauge.

[MathBlade]

You replace a low poster. But like, it doesn't matter.

It really does matter. It tells me you have stronger feelings about Teacher as scum as well as saying I could be a scumteam with Teacher and RC in your eyes, which is kind of out there tbh.

I started callong Teacher scummy out of the gates and when I had a chance to rethink that, I instead doubled down on it. How would we be possible teammates in your eyes?

Teacher scum relies on RC scum but the other reads are independent.

Also everyone is playing the associative game with 0 scumflips. Which is cool if that's what you do but has no bearing for me if all we're flipping is town.

Which is why Ari is just scum and independently bad.

Ari town pushes...

Where is Ari’s push?

Math.

I'm having conversation with people to glean intent and reads better. There is little to push because everything comes back to either myself or RC as scum and I disagree on all accounts there.

I am working on establishig where people sit so I know who has scum intent.

Why is any of this scummy?

Bullshit.

You’re saying everyone pushing you is town? Everyone pushing RC is town? Bullshit.

There’s plenty to work with you either just don’t want to give associatives or just can’t be bothered.

Both are incredibly scummy.

[Aristophanes]

That means I am right on Ari more often that not.

And yet you are wrong...

[RadiantCowbells]

Pretty sure Xtoxm is scum btw. The pop in to call Ico scum for pushing an easy mislynch but doing nothing to make himself a harder lynch doesn't feel like a town!Xtoxm move especially in the team mafia setting.

Like, I don't see how anyone comes to the point of view of being 'pretty sure that xtoxm is scum' ever and that was pretty objectively unjustified

[MathBlade]

If I am wrong on RCE and RCE is scum it’s with Xtom and not Tris

strong disagree

rce-tris is the single worst looking associative pairing in the game right now to my eyes.

How about we focus on Ari and save the who else til later?

[MathBlade]

That means I am right on Ari more often that not.

And yet you are wrong...

And yet you spam

[RadiantCowbells]

RCE does have that weird obsession with Xtoxm. Hmm. Possibly right there Math

But, uh, Tris/Xtoxm/RCE makes more sense than Ari/Xtoxm/RCE I think. lol

[Aristophanes]

Bullshit.

You’re saying everyone pushing you is town? Everyone pushing RC is town? Bullshit.

There’s plenty to work with you either just don’t want to give associatives or just can’t be bothered.

Both are incredibly scummy.

I'm saying most of that I have to work with seems to revolve around people's reads of myself and RC and without drawing associatives into the mix neither is very helpful to me right now.

But sure, lets play this game differently. I'll go on ignoring anything that has to do with reads on myself and RC.

I bet there are very few posts to interact with now. Sounds great! I'll let you know.

[MathBlade]

RCE does have that weird obsession with Xtoxm. Hmm. Possibly right there Math

But, uh, Tris/Xtoxm/RCE makes more sense than Ari/Xtoxm/RCE I think. lol

Mainly you could be right on RCE but I don’t see Tris scum sorry.

Tris reads like apathetic town.

I mainly want to verify my reads are correct before going that far in. If Ari flips town something is very wrong and better to know now.

[RCEnigma]

Same reason that I claimed investigative in the first place

I wanted to claim so that everyone could trust me and work with me without the shadow of my scum game hanging over the lobby safe in the knowledge that I was eventually going to self resolve as scum.

I don't buy your push on me at all. I don't buy your original scumread on me either. I think your team deliberately pulled that to set me off.

This was literally your access point approach. The one you waved off as not being relevant here. The one that holds even more similarities in play now that day 1 is over.

Math I'm speaking mostly to you here but for anyone that wants to read through Access Point to see what I'm talking about is welcome to and if you need the link I'll find it.

So the lazy outline is that access point needed x amount of scum to be approved to a mission by the rest of the town to win. RC came into the game assuming the town leader role over NSG by immediately excluding himself from being voted in. Setting himself up to be self resolvable. It earned a lot of towncred with all but like 1 person (insomnia). RC hard pushed the fact that Insomnias read was bad because he would resolve anyway and as you can guess it was a shouting match that he replaced out of.

Point is, RC setting his team up to carry out the rest of the game isn't outside of my expectation of his scum game. With that could be any number of factors like the Poe being outside of his teammates even if it's still on him. Or (the one I feel is likely) he has anti-associated to diffuse the pool of partners that make sense with him in the event he flips. I don't find any of that unreasonable.