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Post Post #2150 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:27 pm

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In post 2121, mastina wrote:
In post 2112, Bitmap wrote:ur reads are still shit and lynching me is negative utility bwwahjahhahahahahaha
Mate you apparently have reading comprehension issues.

I DON'T want you lynched today.
I feel, for good reason, that you shouldn't reach lylo. If not today or lylo, that leaves two options, tomorrow or the day after.
This lynch wouldn't be a Lynch that I'd expect to hit scum.
It'd be a combination "just in case" lynch + information lynch.

I don't think that you are scum, but if you live to lylo, your ass is getting lynched 100% so if you are town you should know not to let yourself reach there.

But, I have reasonably good reasons for my poe.
Jingle is outside of it for good reason.

You're not wrong about my approach to Mena, but you're doing yourself no favors by trying to dismiss the one who did ultimately catch him.
To explain further:
Yes, when I targeted Mena, I was aiming for an innocent; this is true enough.
It is also utterly irrelevant, because it doesn't matter what I was aiming for; what matters is what happened as a consequence: a guilty on a deepscum who over half the town had zero interest in lynching.

Then, if you believe that ofhrz is indeed a Vig, last night's scum night kill is mysteriously missing.
The most obvious answer: they tried to kill me, but failed due to me being bulletproof thanks to the talisman which I received at D2's start.
If I was indeed the scum nk last night, that means that the scum wanted to remove me from the game.

You trying to accomplish what the scum attempted yet failed, via discrediting my input, does not do you any favors. The scum wanting me dead means that my voice is important enough to warrant listening to.

Not instantly sheeping! If you fucking waited for my post, you'd see that in my writeup I was quite explicit about NOT being sheeped! (But you didn't wait even though you lost nothing from waiting.)

But between the scum trying to kill me and my status as conftown, I feel that I have the right to be listened to and respectfully engaged.

I WANT people to disagree with me. I WANT people to engage with me on my reasoning and show me why they have alternative takes, and I actually expect those takes to be more accurate than my own.

But what you are doing is doing the Scum's job for them.

As for why I think that you should be lynched either tomorrow or the day after IF the game hasn't ended, it's quite simple:
Try to find any 3p lylo combination where you are not lynched.
We have four lynches available: today, tomorrow, the day after, and 3p lylo.

Your lynch confirms that there is a second "deepscum" beyond Menalque, and removes the paranoia of "we can't let the slot who everyone scumread D1 endgame us!". Because just about everyone was scumreading you D1 with only the flipped scum being notable exceptions to this, and if we mislynch three times in a row after two consecutive scum lynches, I guarantee you that people will default to D1…where you were a primary suspicion.

Thus.
If you are town and live to see 3p lylo, the town will lose.

Do you disagree with this worst-case scenario logic? If we have three consecutive mislynches after having back to back scum lunches and you're still alive, you'd be the obvious default choice.

I don't think that you are scum. To the contrary, I think that you are town. But I also feel like if you are indeed town and live to see 3p lylo, the town will lose.

Thus, you deserve one or two chances to lynch the third scum. If one, we'd have to Lynch you tomorrow. If two, we'd have to Lynch you the day after tomorrow.

This seems like a perfectly logical conclusion. You have 1-2 chances to end the game before we lynch you. We'd lynch you both for final confirmation of information that we already suspect is true, as well as a precaution against yolovoting a D1 top scumread in 3p lylo.
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Post Post #2151 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:27 pm

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In post 2148, Kerset wrote:now chemist your turn to claim
No thanks.

Chem, claim consistency or not, but not what you are please. :)
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Post Post #2152 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:29 pm

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mastina, check my ramblings and lynch pool and see if you agree.

I think hito -> Kerset -> Klick is the solve.
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Post Post #2153 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:31 pm

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In post 2148, Kerset wrote:
In post 2099, Chemist1422 wrote:Kerset I want you to claim your role and actions
I am JOAT of 3 one shot abilities. I used
n1 friendly neighbor on jjh
n2 commute
now chemist your turn to claim
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Post Post #2154 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:31 pm

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Actually yeah I think that clears Kerset
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Post Post #2155 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:32 pm

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In post 2138, Jingle wrote:Flips:

Mafia Strongman
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Scum roleblocker, not stopper; jjh was an Alien, not a JK.
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Post Post #2156 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:36 pm

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Ah, my bad. Still, the conclusion I was drawing of 2 methods of fucking with your role stands. My guess is the last scum is an information/utility of some kind. 3 now, with Kers' claim and Chem's backing it up.

Also, Take Kers out of my lynch order, because if Kerset is a 1x Commuter it makes more sense for her to be town than scum with what we know of the setup.
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Post Post #2157 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:37 pm

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In post 2152, Jingle wrote:mastina, check my ramblings and lynch pool and see if you agree.

I think hito -> Kerset -> Klick is the solve.
Kerset/Klick are both townreads. I favor hi to/Shadow-->Shadow/hito-->Bitmap instead, at least as of right now.

I'm done with my shift, so once I drive home, I can go into my reasoning.
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Post Post #2158 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:44 pm

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I am townreading Klick as well, but I don't think that townread is as strong as the gamestate evidence that both Bitmap and Shadow are town based on how D1 played out, fwiw.

Like, similar strength there to what I assume is the gamestate evidence for my town-ness in your eyes as opposed to the mechanical evidence and the play based evidence, tbh.
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Post Post #2159 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:02 pm

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RC leaves a message here.

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Kerset is the scum for a bunch of reasons.

1) Why the fuck would Kerset have done a friendly neighbor on jjh when he clearly had him as scum in {mastina/jjh}. It makes no sense outside of being the possible nightkill so no one has to support that claim. Also, Kerset and his D1 play doesn't resemble the play of someone who can have access to friendly neighbor. They would have been not worried about getting scumread because they can just claim and get townread.

2) You're all assigning town credibility by being on the wagon but instead it's the fucking opposite. As I said before, if Mena's vote is the first vote on the wagon and hard pushing it you can be goddamn sure that his other partner will also be on the wagon as well. Reundo pretty much just outright given up on this game. Strongman or not, scum were'nt going to put themselves in a shitty position by risking to defend him and thus the positions that make the most sense for scum are the early votes. If for some miracle, for some reason, Jingle is somehow conftown, that leaves prettty much kerset and did I forget to mention that his interactions with Reundo were terrible? The "lurkers get no sympathy from me" is bad and is so disgustingly SvS looking post.

3) Your positions as a group in this game just suck.

Klick isn't scum.
Shadoweh isn't scum.
We're not scum.
Mastina isn't scum
Ofrhz isn't scum.

We don't know what ever reasoning mechanically that you're using to clear people outside of all of that but Kerset can easily be claiming commuter as an ascetic role and the reasoning that they claimed friendly neighbor on a target WHO IS DEAD with ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE of being in an ISO in thread doesn't bode well with me.
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Post Post #2160 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:03 pm

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Oh yeah, he also adds this.

Shut up mastina.

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Post Post #2161 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:04 pm

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In post 2159, Bitmap wrote:scum in {mastina/jjh}.
RC wanted me to fix this as "one out of two scum in JJH/mastina".
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Post Post #2162 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:05 pm

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RC wanted to clarify the last bit as there is no evidence of being a friendly neighbor and there's a bunch of stuff that is pointing against it.
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Post Post #2163 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:07 pm

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RC also wanted me to add a few more of these for some reasons and I agree:

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Post Post #2164 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:10 pm

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@RC/Bit
I have mechanical confirmation that Kerset commuted last night

It's unlikely they could do that and take the kill at the same time
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Post Post #2165 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:11 pm

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In post 2164, Chemist1422 wrote:@RC/Bit
I have mechanical confirmation that Kerset commuted last night

It's unlikely they could do that and take the kill at the same time
RC wants to know if it's actually that they commuted or that your action failed? Even then, there wasn't a night kill...
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Post Post #2166 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:14 pm

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In post 2159, Bitmap wrote:1) Why the fuck would Kerset have done a friendly neighbor on jjh when he clearly had him as scum in {mastina/jjh}.

2) You're all assigning town credibility by being on the wagon but instead it's the fucking opposite.

The "lurkers get no sympathy from me" is bad and is so disgustingly SvS looking post.

3) Your positions as a group in this game just suck.

Klick isn't scum.
Shadoweh isn't scum.
We're not scum.
Mastina isn't scum
Ofrhz isn't scum.
1 is a good point, actually.
2 is actually pretty much opposite to what I'm saying. I'm saying that the people who were on neither the wagon or the counterwagon, but who were both around enough to push something and WEREN'T pushing something with legs are town. Kerset's vote was the best of Kerset/Klick/hito because it was the vote which restored momentum to the wagon.
2b Yes. By play, Kerset would be my strongest scumread.
3 That's a list of 4 things I said and one that I want to believe is true, so...

I'll talk about my mech clear on Kers in a moment.
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Post Post #2167 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:15 pm

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Wait hold the fucking phone for a minute.

Mastina calls me town and thinks we're going to lose in a 3p lylo when my team is the most stacked at the moment and NSG got 2/4 in her PoE pool.

Let that sink in right now...
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Post Post #2168 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:16 pm

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Chem, don't further out your role, give me a minute to expand without your knowledge possibly being leaked.
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Post Post #2169 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:16 pm

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Mastina calls my slot town and then is like

"lol lets lynch them anyways"

This game is fucking aids.
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Post Post #2170 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:17 pm

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That's it, you're getting the rest of the game with RC and his divine right theory on this game.

Fuck it.
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Post Post #2171 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:18 pm

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In post 2165, Bitmap wrote:
In post 2164, Chemist1422 wrote:@RC/Bit
I have mechanical confirmation that Kerset commuted last night

It's unlikely they could do that and take the kill at the same time
RC wants to know if it's actually that they commuted or that your action failed? Even then, there wasn't a night kill...
the latter

but I doubt it's that I was roleblocked
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Post Post #2172 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:19 pm

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also right no night kill

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Post Post #2173 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:20 pm

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In post 2171, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 2165, Bitmap wrote:
In post 2164, Chemist1422 wrote:@RC/Bit
I have mechanical confirmation that Kerset commuted last night

It's unlikely they could do that and take the kill at the same time
RC wants to know if it's actually that they commuted or that your action failed? Even then, there wasn't a night kill...
the latter

but I doubt it's that I was roleblocked
RC wanted to know if you ever heard of a role called "Ascetic" before.
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Post Post #2174 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:21 pm

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And RC says

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