Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oka, I appreciate the reach out. I just don't think Elsa's play or data suggest Elsa's scum. FWIW, the heavy wagon participation by non town suggests at least one of Elsa Jay, Pisskop, or SS is scum.

Why SS?

If both are T v T, scum wouldn't give a damn which got lynched. SS is the only not Amrun, Eddie or obvtown not on the major 3 wagons. Major 2 if you count Elsa before I recruited her.

I just woke up, so could you please explain this again? That’s what I’m saying, Pine kill spews both of them town. and you should be way more leery of possible pockets. RC often makes that mistake too. People agreeing with you on bad wagons doesn’t necessarily make them town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Titus, you’ve been dethroned now, welcome me, your new expert on VC analysis.

Pine kill + NaCl wagon, spews both town.

A)Scum doesn’t frame Piss with Pine kill.
B) Piss town flip would look horrible for NaCl.

Therefore, both are town and no one should take Titus’ reads seriously in this game. I <3 Titus but you’re clearly having terrible reads this game and clearly not just me either.

Nka is not vca.

NKA + VCA in this case

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think Piss might be town actually. I can see more evidence of Pops trying to pocket him rather than interactions I'd consider fake.
Elsa is the way forward. I'm still unconvinced on unwnd scum. Look at Pops' reaction to the replace out:

Yucky

Krazy has requested replacement.

Damn, he was probably town then.

lol expert testimony

She claims she said she was sure Pops was scummy from the getgo but in main thread, she claims to have tr her? And now, it’s a joke? It didn’t sound like it to me. Also her voting around Eddie wagon was suspicious. I also asked her about some comment she made earlier on about whether she thought Krazy could be PO and she said it was a joke but he’s town, so make of that what you will.

[Titus]

Titus, you’ve been dethroned now, welcome me, your new expert on VC analysis.

Pine kill + NaCl wagon, spews both town.

A)Scum doesn’t frame Piss with Pine kill.
B) Piss town flip would look horrible for NaCl.

Therefore, both are town and no one should take Titus’ reads seriously in this game. I <3 Titus but you’re clearly having terrible reads this game and clearly not just me either.

Nka is not vca.

NKA + VCA in this case

None of what you did is VCA.

[Titus]

Oka, I appreciate the reach out. I just don't think Elsa's play or data suggest Elsa's scum. FWIW, the heavy wagon participation by non town suggests at least one of Elsa Jay, Pisskop, or SS is scum.

Why SS?

If both are T v T, scum wouldn't give a damn which got lynched. SS is the only not Amrun, Eddie or obvtown not on the major 3 wagons. Major 2 if you count Elsa before I recruited her.

I just woke up, so could you please explain this again? That’s what I’m saying, Pine kill spews both of them town. and you should be way more leery of possible pockets. RC often makes that mistake too. People agreeing with you on bad wagons doesn’t necessarily make them town.

RC is a narcissistic asshole. I also TRed Elsa before I asked her to join me.

[Hectic]

She claims she said she was sure Pops was scummy from the getgo but in main thread, she claims to have tr her? And now, it’s a joke? It didn’t sound like it to me. Also her voting around Eddie wagon was suspicious. I also asked her about some comment she made earlier on about whether she thought Krazy could be PO and she said it was a joke but he’s town, so make of that what you will.

You're talking about Elsa, right?

[Titus]

She claims she said she was sure Pops was scummy from the getgo but in main thread, she claims to have tr her? And now, it’s a joke? It didn’t sound like it to me. Also her voting around Eddie wagon was suspicious. I also asked her about some comment she made earlier on about whether she thought Krazy could be PO and she said it was a joke but he’s town, so make of that what you will.

You're talking about Elsa, right?

That's what I assume.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oka, I appreciate the reach out. I just don't think Elsa's play or data suggest Elsa's scum. FWIW, the heavy wagon participation by non town suggests at least one of Elsa Jay, Pisskop, or SS is scum.

Why SS?

If both are T v T, scum wouldn't give a damn which got lynched. SS is the only not Amrun, Eddie or obvtown not on the major 3 wagons. Major 2 if you count Elsa before I recruited her.

I just woke up, so could you please explain this again? That’s what I’m saying, Pine kill spews both of them town. and you should be way more leery of possible pockets. RC often makes that mistake too. People agreeing with you on bad wagons doesn’t necessarily make them town.

RC is a narcissistic asshole. I also TRed Elsa before I asked her to join me.

You’re wrong. He is extremely caring but that has nothing to do with this game but you’re very wrong about that

You’re wrongly sr me, so your point?

I was hard tr her until she contradicted herself on Pops read. Now I suppose there could be town reasons for this but it looks kind of suspicious to me. And I’m still waiting for her to quote/link that “bad neighbour” post for me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

She claims she said she was sure Pops was scummy from the getgo but in main thread, she claims to have tr her? And now, it’s a joke? It didn’t sound like it to me. Also her voting around Eddie wagon was suspicious. I also asked her about some comment she made earlier on about whether she thought Krazy could be PO and she said it was a joke but he’s town, so make of that what you will.

You're talking about Elsa, right?

Yes.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why?

Because Pisskop is more townie, and if I voted him anyway you'd say I was just following the Counterwagon. I'm willing to follow Titus here.

Although this post isn’t bad even though when I asked her about NaCl earlier, she had him as a slight tl.

[Nancy Drew 39]

because while he was asking elsa about frozen 2 there were things going on in the background that he could;ve entered into on his own accord

I'll have you know I solved Krazy's alignment and role just from that convo.

He's obviously the Phone Operator.

This was the post that I asked her about.

[Micc]

Votecount 2.11

Elsa Jay (4) -

unwnd, Hectic, OkaPoka, pisskop

pisskop (3) -

DrDolittle, bob3141, NaCl

unwnd (3) -

Amrun, Eddie Cane, Something_Smart

NaCl (2) -

Titus, Elsa Jay

Not Voting (1) -

Nancy Drew 39

With 13 players alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2020-01-28 02:10:00).

[Nancy Drew 39]

Votecount 1.21

popsofctown (5) -

Eddie Cane, Amrun, Something_Smart, pisskop, Elsa Jay

Pine (3) -

Hectic, Krazy, Nancy Drew 39

NaCl (2) -

Pine, Titus

Titus (1) -

bob3141

Something_Smart (1) -

DrDolittle

DrDolittle (1) -

OkaPoka

Eddie Cane (1) -

popsofctown

Not Voting (1) -

NaCl

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Votecount 1.22

popsofctown (5) -

Eddie Cane, Amrun, Something_Smart, Elsa Jay, Titus

Eddie Cane (4) -

popsofctown, Krazy, pisskop, OkaPoka

Pine (2) -

Hectic, Nancy Drew 39

NaCl (1) -

Pine

Titus (1) -

bob3141

Something_Smart (1) -

DrDolittle

Not Voting (1) -

NaCl

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Votecount 1.23

popsofctown (5) -

Eddie Cane, Amrun, Something_Smart, Elsa Jay, Titus

Eddie Cane (4) -

popsofctown, Krazy, pisskop, OkaPoka

Pine (2) -

Hectic, Nancy Drew 39

NaCl (1) -

Pine

Titus (1) -

bob3141

Something_Smart (1) -

DrDolittle

Not Voting (1) -

NaCl

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Votecount 1.24

popsofctown (5) -

Eddie Cane, Amrun, Something_Smart, Elsa Jay, Titus

Eddie Cane (4) -

popsofctown, Krazy, pisskop, OkaPoka

Pine (2) -

Hectic, Nancy Drew 39

NaCl (1) -

Pine

Titus (1) -

bob3141

Something_Smart (1) -

DrDolittle

Not Voting (1) -

NaCl

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Votecount 1.25

popsofctown (4) -

Eddie Cane, Amrun, Something_Smart, Elsa Jay

Eddie Cane (3) -

popsofctown, Krazy, pisskop

Pine (2) -

Hectic, Nancy Drew 39

DrDolittle (2) -

Titus, OkaPoka

NaCl (1) -

Pine

Titus (1) -

bob3141

Something_Smart (1) -

DrDolittle

Not Voting (1) -

NaCl

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Votecount 1.26

popsofctown (5) -

Eddie Cane, Amrun, Something_Smart, Elsa Jay, Nancy Drew 39

Eddie Cane (3) -

popsofctown, Krazy, pisskop

DrDolittle (2) -

Titus, OkaPoka

Pine (1) -

Hectic

NaCl (1) -

Pine

Titus (1) -

bob3141

Something_Smart (1) -

DrDolittle

Not Voting (1) -

NaCl

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Votecount 1.27

popsofctown (5) -

Eddie Cane, Amrun, Something_Smart, Elsa Jay, bob3141

Eddie Cane (3) -

popsofctown, Krazy, pisskop

Pine (3) -

Hectic, OkaPoka, Nancy Drew 39

DrDolittle (1) -

Titus

NaCl (1) -

Pine

Something_Smart (1) -

DrDolittle

Not Voting (1) -

NaCl

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Prodding NaCl.

unwnd replaces Krazy on team Ripple's Krazy Mistress Dunn.

Votecount 1.28

popsofctown (4) -

Amrun, Something_Smart, bob3141, Eddie Cane

Eddie Cane (4) -

popsofctown, unwnd, pisskop, Elsa Jay

Pine (3) -

Hectic, OkaPoka, Nancy Drew 39

DrDolittle (1) -

Titus

NaCl (1) -

Pine

Something_Smart (1) -

DrDolittle

Not Voting (1) -

NaCl

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Votecount 1.29

popsofctown (4) -

Amrun, Something_Smart, bob3141, Eddie Cane

Eddie Cane (4) -

popsofctown, unwnd, pisskop, Elsa Jay

Pine (3) -

Hectic, OkaPoka, Nancy Drew 39

DrDolittle (1) -

Titus

NaCl (1) -

Pine

Something_Smart (1) -

DrDolittle

Not Voting (1) -

NaCl

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Votecount 1.30

popsofctown (5) -

Amrun, Something_Smart, bob3141, Eddie Cane, Titus

Eddie Cane (2) -

popsofctown, Elsa Jay

unwnd (2) -

OkaPoka, DrDolittle

NaCl (2) -

Pine, pisskop

Pine (1) -

Hectic

Not Voting (3) -

NaCl, unwnd, Nancy Drew 39

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Votecount 1.31

popsofctown (5) -

Amrun, Something_Smart, bob3141, Eddie Cane, Titus

NaCl (3) -

Pine, pisskop, popsofctown

unwnd (2) -

OkaPoka, DrDolittle

Eddie Cane (1) -

Elsa Jay

Pine (1) -

Hectic

Not Voting (3) -

NaCl, unwnd, Nancy Drew 39

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Votecount 1.32

popsofctown (7) -

Amrun, Something_Smart, bob3141, Eddie Cane, Titus, Nancy Drew 39, pisskop

NaCl (2) -

Pine, popsofctown

unwnd (1) -

DrDolittle

Eddie Cane (1) -

Elsa Jay

Pine (1) -

Hectic

Not Voting (3) -

NaCl, unwnd, OkaPoka

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Votecount 1.33

popsofctown (8) -

Something_Smart, bob3141, Eddie Cane, Titus, pisskop, Amrun, Elsa Jay, Nancy Drew 39

NaCl (2) -

Pine, popsofctown

unwnd (1) -

DrDolittle

Pine (1) -

Hectic

Not Voting (3) -

NaCl, unwnd, OkaPoka

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

A lynch has been achieved.

At least one scum on Eddie wagon who isn’t Piss. I’d bet money on that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Votecount 2.11

Elsa Jay (4) -

unwnd, Hectic, OkaPoka, pisskop

pisskop (3) -

DrDolittle, bob3141, NaCl

unwnd (3) -

Amrun, Eddie Cane, Something_Smart

NaCl (2) -

Titus, Elsa Jay

Not Voting (1) -

Nancy Drew 39

With 13 players alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2020-01-28 02:10:00).

Not voting Piss or NaCl, since NKA + VCA spews both of them town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@unwind, can you link some town and scumgames for me? Thanks.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Hectic

Hi, Nancy, are you related to Doctor Drew?

I'm V/LA until Monday in case you missed that; I was being serious when I said I've only read the first two pages.
I'll come and obvtown my slot real quick when I'm back so you don't need to worry.

Oh

whoops

, I just dropped my

stethoscope

, how clumsy of me! I guess I'll retreat into my

consulting room

, and consult my

Drew

.
(hint hint)

UNVOTE:

Hectic is town. Get your votes off of him.

Nancy has a pretty good scum range, one that it has been hard for me to gauge in the past. However, this thought process (push Hectic, imagine Hectic is softing PR, hard push to unvote and suddenly insist he's town) feels a loooot more like town Nancy than scum Nancy. Now let's just make sure no one mentions the Oscars.

im gonna follow pops
VOTE: S_S

What specifically makes you feel strongly on pops town?

Would scum!Krazy make such an accurate read on my play? It’s not just a straight pocket.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Votecount 1.11

Hectic (5) -

Pine, DrDolittle, OkaPoka, Titus, Elsa Jay

OkaPoka (2) -

Krazy, NaCl

DrDolittle (1) -

bob3141

popsofctown (1) -

Amrun

Eddie Cane (1) -

popsofctown

Pine (1) -

Hectic

Not Voting (4) -

Something_Smart, Eddie Cane, pisskop, Nancy Drew 39

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

I mean, look at that scummy as fuck wagon on OkaPoka. I maintain that {Krazy, NaCl, Hectic} is an entirely plausible team

I guess NaCl could have reasons to kill Pine. Is Titus’ godawful read on me blinding me from seeing something?

Could scum!Pops have possibly been bussing his buddy?

[Nancy Drew 39]

{pops, Oka}
{pissk, ND}
other people
{Amrun}
{bob}
{Eddie}

I think that is where I am at now

Gun to head, this post is antispew and scum is in the “other people” pile.

Actually makes total sense, based on current reads. Everyone in this list is very probably all town. What do I win?

So, yes Titus, if you want to still be taken seriously as a champion of VCA, then you ought to be seeing this az well. Why? Because it’s the easiest thing in the world for scum to hide their buddies under a sea of “other people”.

[Titus]

So, yes Titus, if you want to still be taken seriously as a champion of VCA, then you ought to be seeing this az well. Why? Because it’s the easiest thing in the world for scum to hide their buddies under a sea of “other people”.

Looking at the post you quoted is decent analysis but not VCA. VCA stands for Vote Count Analysis. The post you referenced is not a vote count.

I would expect at most 1 scum hidden in the other names. That's the rule of 3. You and Pisskop are less likely to be a team for the same reason.

[Titus]

Votecount 1.11

Hectic (5) -

Pine, DrDolittle, OkaPoka, Titus, Elsa Jay

OkaPoka (2) -

Krazy, NaCl

DrDolittle (1) -

bob3141

popsofctown (1) -

Amrun

Eddie Cane (1) -

popsofctown

Pine (1) -

Hectic

Not Voting (4) -

Something_Smart, Eddie Cane, pisskop, Nancy Drew 39

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

I mean, look at that scummy as fuck wagon on OkaPoka. I maintain that {Krazy, NaCl, Hectic} is an entirely plausible team

I guess NaCl could have reasons to kill Pine. Is Titus’ godawful read on me blinding me from seeing something?

Could scum!Pops have possibly been bussing his buddy?

Scum pops isn't bussing here as Eddie is conftown? There's a typo somewhere here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: unwind

Pops’ Krazy read is extremely suspicious the way she keeps continually waffling on that slot.

Why? Scum both doesn’t want to get their buddies lynched but they also want to maintain negative associatives in case they flip and it doesn’t look calculated from Pops at all - more like the whole grammar nonsense was a way to defect from this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Votecount 1.11

Hectic (5) -

Pine, DrDolittle, OkaPoka, Titus, Elsa Jay

OkaPoka (2) -

Krazy, NaCl

DrDolittle (1) -

bob3141

popsofctown (1) -

Amrun

Eddie Cane (1) -

popsofctown

Pine (1) -

Hectic

Not Voting (4) -

Something_Smart, Eddie Cane, pisskop, Nancy Drew 39

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

I mean, look at that scummy as fuck wagon on OkaPoka. I maintain that {Krazy, NaCl, Hectic} is an entirely plausible team

I guess NaCl could have reasons to kill Pine. Is Titus’ godawful read on me blinding me from seeing something?

Could scum!Pops have possibly been bussing his buddy?

Scum pops isn't bussing here as Eddie is conftown? There's a typo somewhere here.

I obviously meant NaCl but that could just as easily done to frame Piss, because he’s the one who started it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

So, yes Titus, if you want to still be taken seriously as a champion of VCA, then you ought to be seeing this az well. Why? Because it’s the easiest thing in the world for scum to hide their buddies under a sea of “other people”.

Looking at the post you quoted is decent analysis but not VCA. VCA stands for Vote Count Analysis. The post you referenced is not a vote count.

I would expect at most 1 scum hidden in the other names. That's the rule of 3. You and Pisskop are less likely to be a team for the same reason.

Based on my current reads, I’d say both.

[Titus]

Votecount 1.11

Hectic (5) -

Pine, DrDolittle, OkaPoka, Titus, Elsa Jay

OkaPoka (2) -

Krazy, NaCl

DrDolittle (1) -

bob3141

popsofctown (1) -

Amrun

Eddie Cane (1) -

popsofctown

Pine (1) -

Hectic

Not Voting (4) -

Something_Smart, Eddie Cane, pisskop, Nancy Drew 39

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

I mean, look at that scummy as fuck wagon on OkaPoka. I maintain that {Krazy, NaCl, Hectic} is an entirely plausible team

I guess NaCl could have reasons to kill Pine. Is Titus’ godawful read on me blinding me from seeing something?

Could scum!Pops have possibly been bussing his buddy?

Scum pops isn't bussing here as Eddie is conftown? There's a typo somewhere here.

I obviously meant NaCl but that could just as easily done to frame Piss, because he’s the one who started it.

I need another VC or rephrase to understand.

[Titus]

So, yes Titus, if you want to still be taken seriously as a champion of VCA, then you ought to be seeing this az well. Why? Because it’s the easiest thing in the world for scum to hide their buddies under a sea of “other people”.

Looking at the post you quoted is decent analysis but not VCA. VCA stands for Vote Count Analysis. The post you referenced is not a vote count.

I would expect at most 1 scum hidden in the other names. That's the rule of 3. You and Pisskop are less likely to be a team for the same reason.

Based on my current reads, I’d say both.

The rule of 3 suggests that in any category of 3 or more, there's likely to be one scum but no more. I suppose it's more accurately called a theory.