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Post Post #3825 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:21 am

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In post 3824, RadiantCowbells wrote:Also just contrast the way I push Insomnia in that game with the way I push TW in this game. It basically proves my point regarding the way I push people as scum V town.
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Post Post #3826 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:21 am

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It's not a trust tell to say that I simply am not capable of having as dynamic a read as scum as I am as town.
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Post Post #3827 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:22 am

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Nor of being as 'self righteous' versus just getting mad.
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Post Post #3828 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:26 am

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The hardest thing about me playing scum isn't being BoPed, it isn't being paranoia read, it's that I've been forced to project town to an insane level to survive as town and while I can be extremely "towny" as scum I can't actually match the stuff that I am capable of as town. And RCE asked me why I was town, gave him a bunch of reasons, pointed out why is AP comparison didn't hold water, and he just voted me and said he wasn't interested in engaging bc his read really doesn't hold up to scrutiny. He has said phenomenally little about why I am scum this game.
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Post Post #3829 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:28 am

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In post 3825, MathBlade wrote:Stop TvTing and join my Ari wagon please k thanks!
How am I supposed to figure out that this is a TvT when he refuses to address the flaws in his argument
How is he supposed to figure out that this is a TvT when he refuses to address the flaws in his argument
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Post Post #3830 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:36 am

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Go through RCE's iso and figure out why I'm scum outsidde of "because not enough people are calling me scum"
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Post Post #3831 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:40 am

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In post 3829, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 3825, MathBlade wrote:Stop TvTing and join my Ari wagon please k thanks!
How am I supposed to figure out that this is a TvT when he refuses to address the flaws in his argument
How is he supposed to figure out that this is a TvT when he refuses to address the flaws in his argument
How are you supposed to figure out this is TvT when you expect town to be perfect?
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Post Post #3832 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:41 am

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In post 3755, RCEnigma wrote:Frankly I'm not really inclined to engage with you outside of your rebuttals when I pose questions/cases to the town. Because I've sorted you and I'm not swaying on my position.
I expect town who hasn't actually said anything meaningful about why I'm scum to not say something like this, which is a really convenient excuse to push a shit case as scum.
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Post Post #3833 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:46 am

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like he dodged the entire question of whether he can actually lynch me today if I'm town which makes a lot more sense from the pov of not caring if I am scum or not as well
he asked me why I was town and I gave a pretty long and thorough answer that if you actually bother to check the meta from is essentially incontrovertible
he didn't reevaluate at all or respond to anything, he just ignored it and kept calling me scum because that's what he's doing as a game plan.
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Post Post #3834 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:28 pm

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Okay so I'm rereading Isos so Mathblade can be happy.

Started with Tris. Tris, can you do something? Anything? Your Iso is almost devoid of content and what little there is is devoid of reasoning. It's impossible to know your motivations when you don't present them and I don't know what to ask other than "what are your current reads and why?" because you barely even gave past reads or anything worth commenting on.
Do something.

Plum is leaving so I don't care enough to read there.
UNVOTE: tho because that's only fair at this point.

Teacher is still scummy and surfacy in all his posts. I still don't feel like he's engaging the thread and I still feel his votes are mostly scummy/opportunistic/not based on actual scumreads and I still feel like his hammer was null at best. I don't know what I'm supposed to say here.

Bella still looks nullscum but mostly just null. I think someone needs to engage her because I see a lot of questions but very few conversations and it's making her hard to read and probably seem scummier than she is.

Flopz has a lot of tonal issues but I think I was too hard on that slot and am willing to give it a second change. Flopz, when you get in here after your V/LA, I'd like to engage with you better because if you are town I think you have a good way of looking at things, given and I'd like to see you elaborate on your current thoughts.

Xtoxm could easily not be here and it would have 0 effect on the game. A couple points I nodded at, but literally only a couple, and calling them "points" is being generous. Can I tell you to do something too? Am I being rude now? W/e.

I will read RCE again another time but they could be scum and I want to actually look harder there.

The rest of the list has more posts than I do and also I townread so I'm not going to waste my time there.

Math, nothing changed in any of this from the last time and most of these players are, as noted, V/LA, MIA, or simply not engaging.
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Post Post #3835 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:32 pm

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Also, I don't remember now who was criticizing me for not having a vote placed at the end of D1 but I was extremely mad at the TvT 1v1 that was going down and it was clear that no matter what it was going to end in one of them getting lynched. Everyone else was getting drowned out and every other vote was pointless.

I threw my hands up and left the thread with an unvote and that was that. I didn't want to take part and there was no point voting elsewhere. I was already just so done and I'd only just gotten into the thread.

So I mean, scumread that if you like I guess.
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Post Post #3836 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:33 pm

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Anyway, I might just V/LA for the weekend since everyone else fucking is.

I might not.

We shall see.
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Post Post #3837 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:52 pm

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In post 3825, MathBlade wrote:Stop TvTing and join my Ari wagon please k thanks!
This is actually kinda ironic and I forgot to lol at it earlier, so

:lol: :lol:

Math, if you're town, which I still think you are, you are TvTing me and it's really annoying. And not only that, it's becoming a tunnel and that's even more annoying. And all of this is coming together to weaken my townread of you because even though I know your team is also strongly behind you in this, it seems like you're unwilling to change this view of me.

Thanks for reading, enjoy your V/la
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Post Post #3838 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:53 pm

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Basically Ari if you're town town is falling apart here
I think it is very easy for scum to lunch you -> me and win lylo
Not exactly sure what to say atp.
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Post Post #3839 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:02 pm

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In post 3838, RadiantCowbells wrote:Basically Ari if you're town town is falling apart here
I think it is very easy for scum to lunch you -> me and win lylo
Not exactly sure what to say atp.
Yeah no I 100% agree RC I just literally don't know what I can do to avoid this!

I'm gonna get lynched, flip town, it's somehow going to lead to your lynch either for still being alive or for some weird associatives or for just being RC, and then what!?

At that point its 5v3 lylo assuming NKs go through with Math leading the way with his wrong-ass reads!

Like fuck I have no clue how to stop this because I bet Ico and Skitty are the NKs we'll see and Math will just be left screaming into the void of inactive and scummy players!

Literally at a loss, man.
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Post Post #3840 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:04 pm

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Like shit as I write that it makes me so much more certain its as simple as Teacher, RCE, and someone too incative to read.

But that's impossible to push at this point, especially with nodoby here.
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Post Post #3841 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:05 pm

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If town are all so active we should be working together not infighting like we are. And yet this gunn be a scum victory with little to no effort on their parts.
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Post Post #3842 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:05 pm

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I don't think it's Teacher.

I think it's Tris RCE Xtoxm
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Post Post #3843 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:06 pm

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And Math,
now
you can say I'm spamming and be correct. Before you were just being obtuse and I didn't appreciate it at all.
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Post Post #3844 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:07 pm

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Maybe plum in there somewhere idk.
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Post Post #3845 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:07 pm

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In post 3839, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 3838, RadiantCowbells wrote:Basically Ari if you're town town is falling apart here
I think it is very easy for scum to lunch you -> me and win lylo
Not exactly sure what to say atp.
Yeah no I 100% agree RC I just literally don't know what I can do to avoid this!

I'm gonna get lynched, flip town, it's somehow going to lead to your lynch either for still being alive or for some weird associatives or for just being RC, and then what!?

At that point its 5v3 lylo assuming NKs go through with Math leading the way with his wrong-ass reads!

Like fuck I have no clue how to stop this because I bet Ico and Skitty are the NKs we'll see and Math will just be left screaming into the void of inactive and scummy players!

Literally at a loss, man.
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Post Post #3846 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:08 pm

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In post 3841, Aristophanes wrote:If town are all so active we should be working together not infighting like we are. And yet this gunn be a scum victory with little to no effort on their parts.
Since you won’t die and you’re scum gonna go with a hard yeah scum will win.
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Post Post #3847 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:09 pm

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In post 3842, RadiantCowbells wrote:I don't think it's Teacher.

I think it's Tris RCE Xtoxm
This is entirely possible! Tris is my biggest thought for filling that last spot and if not Teach then Xtoxm seems likely just via lack of evidence against it.

I am going to give RCE a far better read at some point and maybe sniff out some associatives because they are the most likely active scum I can find and I would love to land the lynch there once we're all ready.
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Post Post #3848 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:10 pm

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Dude

He meant NIGHTKILLS

Why are you so difficult
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Post Post #3849 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:11 pm

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In post 3848, RadiantCowbells wrote:Dude

He meant NIGHTKILLS

Why are you so difficult
Because Ari is scum.

BBMolla is rather...insistent.
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