Mini Theme 2112: Skyrim Mod Upick Town Win

[Pine]

Because killing scum is the point of the game? I don’t even

[popsofctown]

I mean we're supposed to get L-1 claims and stuff Pine. I do feel pretty confident about a scumflip though.

[Sujimichi]

1. There were seven days left, and there are several low content players. You are one of them.
   
2. There was no intent placed or request for a claim

Yes, the point of this game is to lynch scum. I would assume that someone who has been here for nine years understands the importance of generating content for later examination. Why do you feel the need to be snarky towards me?

[Sujimichi]

The above message was directed towards Pine, not popsofctown.

[Sujimichi]

popsofctown, what are your thoughts on Pine?

[Pine]

Asking for claims is for pansies. A competent scum player will give you something clever and an incompetent one will give you something obvious to draw out a PR. It’s all WIFOM. You’re either confident or you’re not, and TD has had a while to give us a reason to pause

PE: I’m sick and fucking tired of hearing how much time there was left in a day phase. So what? More time to spin is more time to weasel out. Be decisive, dammit.

[Sujimichi]

There is more time for other players to generate content and not hide behind other player's thoughts, as implied in my point 1. This is actually a discussion I had wanted to have with gobbledygook, so I am not sure why you jumped in.

[popsofctown]

I think it is very unlikely Pine shares Tiphaine Death's alignment. I don't think lazily sheeping me would be "outside of his townrange" but it's I don't think I want to be pocketed by it, because I think he's sharp enough to identify future UTRs early and pocket.
I think a TD red flip would largely exonerate him.

I don't think his current apathy is scum indicative, it is somewhat consistent with recent play, for instance, I hammered him when he was conftown last summer because I did not understand the setup, and he didn't get particularly upset about it. If I or someone like Jingle was unmoved about lynching an unclaimed slot it'd be a different story.

[Sujimichi]

Thank you.

[gobbledygook]

Why did you hammer TiphaineDeath?

I felt confident that it is likely to flip scum given the composition of the wagon. I also do not think that most roles will be useful this game given they are tied to the Stones chosen, so if he ended up being a good power role, chances are it is tied to the more negative utility Stones.

*cough*

I do think that unpredictability is helpful for town because then scum cannot prepare either!

[gobbledygook]

If someone wants to hit scum, they should vig Aeronaut.

If someone wants to be the mod's best friend, they should vig Wake or GIF.

[popsofctown]

On a theory level I agree with Pine about ignoring excess remaining deadline time, but disagree with him about claims

[Sujimichi]

If someone wants to hit scum, they should vig Aeronaut.

If someone wants to be the mod's best friend, they should vig Wake or GIF.

Why do you think that Aeronaut is mafia? He has provided almost no content.

[popsofctown]

If mafia wants to lose they should shoot someone who's not Sujimichi.

[gobbledygook]

If someone wants to hit scum, they should vig Aeronaut.

If someone wants to be the mod's best friend, they should vig Wake or GIF.

Why do you think that Aeronaut is mafia? He has provided almost no content.

That is exactly why I think he is scum. I think scum are more likely to lurk/generally "not play" than town. A lot of the appeal to Mafia the Game is the detective-solving-a-crime aspect. That is lost when playing as scum. Moreover, playing scum is more stressful because the stakes are higher. Stress also decreases general enjoyment of games.

I also feel that Aeronaut's posts (albeit he does not have many) are totally devoid of scumhunting.

[Aeronaut]

Hi people, I'm gonna give my thoughts as quick as I can in case that vote was hammer

[jjh927]

Replacing GuyInFreezer

[Sujimichi]

Hi people, I'm gonna give my thoughts as quick as I can in case that vote was hammer

It was a hammer. I believe you do not have much to share your thoughts with the mod posting recently.

[Sujimichi]

Hi people, I'm gonna give my thoughts as quick as I can in case that vote was hammer

It was a hammer. I believe you do not have much time to share your thoughts with the mod posting recently.

Corrected.

[Aeronaut]

Pops and Gobble are definitely town imo. Suj seeming mostly townie I guess, but tbh there is a little bit of fluff that's kinda offputting to me. Qualifying reads, "are you going to contribute yet" posts etc

Eve is a slight sr for me, but I'm kinda unsure there. Jumped on that typh wagon for kind of a silly reason, and I had a question re: 316 that I'll post in a sec.

Zenith's weird asking for permission to vote is scummy, but not in a vacuum. Withholding his own opinions in a vacuum also seems ok to me; but tbh both those things together are kinda weird to me. The permission to vote thing is making me scumread him a bit if only that it's an obviously incredibly anti-town thing to do, and a good way to CYA. It's a weird contradiction to be so careful about not flooding the thread with "spam", but then to start asking the town permission to lynch as if that's not already the point of a vote.

Typh's reaction to being targeted for a wagon early on gives me bad vibes. Might be able to explain better in a minute. Overall, not looking great but I'm not sure I actually want to vote there yet.

Alim, big scum vibes. Whoever it was that said that thing about people who use all the scumhunting buzzwords etc to look town... Alim is bigtime giving me those vibes.

[Aeronaut]

If someone wants to hit scum, they should vig Aeronaut.

If someone wants to be the mod's best friend, they should vig Wake or GIF.

Why do you think that Aeronaut is mafia? He has provided almost no content.

That is exactly why I think he is scum. I think scum are more likely to lurk/generally "not play" than town. A lot of the appeal to Mafia the Game is the detective-solving-a-crime aspect. That is lost when playing as scum. Moreover, playing scum is more stressful because the stakes are higher. Stress also decreases general enjoyment of games.

I also feel that Aeronaut's posts (albeit he does not have many) are totally devoid of scumhunting.

I'd say you could definitely pick at least one scum of any of the inactive players in any game, so that's actually a pretty good take! I'm not the scum you're looking for though, and a kill on me would be a waste anyway. I get the sentiment, but this kind of scum hunting is gonna always be a complete crapshoot and it's kinda hard to defend ya know? I also get really bored as town ESPECIALLY day one since there's no real concrete evidence usually, which I mean isn't actually provable, but it's the honest truth lol

[gobbledygook]

Aeronaut, how do you normally get out of your Day 1 funk then?

[Aeronaut]

Hi Aeronaut ^^

Stealth archer. They all end up as stealth archers anyway, might as well do it on purpose.

Disappointed I didn't get my colored arrows mod. I have a couple of ideas, but they can wait for morning, just turning in at almost half past 1AM.

Pursuant to the second half of the above, I've given it some thought and I think we should massclaim flavor.

WHAT?!

But Pine, massclaiming on Day One has no strategic value and it's only something scum would want! I mega-vote and dayvig you right now to suppress this potentially dangerous idea!

Hear me out. This isn't a typical game, and I'm not suggesting we

role

claim. Just flavor. I have a couple of reasons - first, I really don't think any of the mods people are likely to have chosen are going to point clearly towards scum/Town/TP etc. The nature of Skyrim is heroic, and a lot of mods are quality of life rather than dramatic content changes. I highly doubt that in this game a flavorclaim is going to expose our PRs. Second, the obscure and esoteric nature of a lot of mods makes it so a whole bunch of different interpretations are possible, giving JJH flexibility in designing their role. Third, what flavorclaiming WOULD do is strip away a lot of the options for scum down the line to fakeclaim - "Improved World Map with Roads" lends itself to a lot of options as a game designer, but shuts down a

ton

of choices for desperate scum. I could claim tracker, watcher, maybe even roleblocker or rolecop with that mod. What I could NOT do is then claim Doc, or Cop, or Vigilante, or what have you.

TL;DR - Mass flavorclaiming is harmless in this setup, but severely restricts scum's flexibility down the line.

I'll go first - the example I gave, "Improved World Map with Roads," is my assigned mod. My top choice had been this utility/quality of life mod, and I think the third was an improved mining mod.

This is a great idea for Day 2, mostly because people are gonna be forced to align their claims with their actions / rhetoric on day 1, so it probably will be easier to see who's full of shit

I haven't played skyrim so I asked the mods to give me one. Yours might be what you say, where it doesn't clearly point towards something, but others might not. I don't see great value in claiming now, its just gonna clog up actual scumhunting if everyone talks about this instead.

That... is what scumhunting is though. I always hate the idea of "scumhunting" as something that can be blocked as if the whole game can't be read that way. Especially when you read Day 1 stuff in the endgame and can see why people might have claimed something odd. Despite agreeing that it may be better not to do this day 1, the reasoning doesn't actually make any sense to me I guess

[Aeronaut]

Aeronaut, how do you normally get out of your Day 1 funk then?

I really don't if I'm being honest. Day 1 is by design full of circular conversations and kinda baseless fingerpointing. Plus, one of my few mafia strengths is derailing or creating wagons and since I'm usually pretty wrong on day one, I don't want to create that influence just yet.

[Aeronaut]

I'm going to apologize in advance for this page turning into Aeronaut's Advice Column, since I'm gonna post stuff a few at a time in case the day ends