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[AaronFrost]

Doing an ISO dive on you.

I thought your question towards Wimpy was fine. Like maybe you could've been trying to instigate something there but it honestly seemed like you were trying to figure out whether his reaction to pressure would be personality indicative or alignment indicative which is +town points for you (I'm townleaning Wimpy as well btw). I also have similar thoughts regarding profii although I do disagree with you saying insomnia's 57 was townie.

Overall though I think you're pretty townie.

[Alchemist21]

that finding someone suspicious for opening with "hi" is absurd

Btw I know it sounds absurd but I had a pretty good record of finding nervous scum entrances/early posts so it’s something I like to look for when games start.

[Alchemist21]

Doing an ISO dive on you.

I thought your question towards Wimpy was fine. Like maybe you could've been trying to instigate something there but it honestly seemed like you were trying to figure out whether his reaction to pressure would be personality indicative or alignment indicative which is +town points for you (I'm townleaning Wimpy as well btw). I also have similar thoughts regarding profii although I do disagree with you saying insomnia's 57 was townie.

Overall though I think you're pretty townie.

Please elaborate on your Wimpy Townread too.

[Ame]

(and am going to subsequently respond to)

Nevermind I'll wait for Chara's response.

that finding someone suspicious for opening with "hi" is absurd

Btw I know it sounds absurd but I had a pretty good record of finding nervous scum entrances/early posts so it’s something I like to look for when games start.

Don't get me wrong, I do the same thing. Once even scumread a guy for using a period in his opening . I TR it because I empathize with the thought process.

[Chara]

@Chara

Looker wearing his heart on his sleeve (along with his process) is interesting. i kind of like it.

(1) What in Looker's post above are you referencing as wearing their heart on their sleeve? (2) Have you played with Looker before?


You stated in 162 that you voted for profii because of his JTB vote post, and provided your reasoning in 214 that it was because it assigned AI to a NAI opinon:

Egix: i was wondering why you were concerned about what seemed to be two of many random votes flying around, but it does look like you had a reason. i voted profii for 10, mainly.

@Chara what didn't you like about profiis jtb vote?

that it assigned an alignment to an NAI opinion about day 1. even if saying "first scum" sounds like an exaggeration/joke from profii. not the biggest thing but as i still haven't found anything else to chew on i'm fine with it, and profii's posting in general doesn't have townvibes so far. it's really not a big read, but since i didn't elaborate before i get why you're asking.

But you agreed with his reasoning here:

Nobody is a fan of day 1.

Yet we all have to do it

So I find it really frustrating in every other game I play when someone comes in and goes "Day one? Nope"

It's not fair on all the other players

+1
i'm fine with day 1 because the first step for me in understanding how to read someone is getting a feel for how they play and think.

(3) Could you clarify.

(4) What do you think of JTB's scum reads?
(5) What do you think of Aaron's play so far and the contradiction I mentioned above (and am going to subsequently respond to)?

1: the way he announces what he's going to do (that he's not into the game yet, that he now is, that he's asking an arbitrary question specifically to get discussion, that he's voting because votes get the game going.
2: i have not.
3: wasn't agreeing with the reasoning for the vote in 54, was agreeing with the notion that players should participate day 1 in a general opinion way. yes, players should participate day 1 and it's silly to think you can bow out while relying on others to do it for you, but it's not AI.
4: you reminded me that JTB hasn't responded to my 64 yet. had to ISO to see who he was scumreading. JTB's play has been meh so far, i said before why the egix/profii partner conclusion feels premature.
VOTE: JTB
5: didn't like Aaron's vote there on insomnia, but the contradiction you pointed out there is not actually a contradiction. chain of events being Aaron sees the post, votes it, and then sees insomnia's walkback post and makes the (silent) decision to leave the vote there. this is followed by asking about why he has the scumread, where he references both the first post and the second as reasons for the scumread, and not necessarily for the initial vote on its own. no real opinion on his overall play yet.

[insomnia]

Why are literally all of Egix’s posts about profi

[insomnia]

If people don’t want to follow me on Alch then I’m willing to compromise on Egix

[Looker]

So many players. Reading.

[Looker]

I picked the names based off the avatars I could remember. I'm typically capable of keeping all of this stuff in my head.

VOTE: Ame Did you not like my question?

Spoiler:

personal tally, in too many games

Ame (1)

- Looker

Alchemist21 (2)

- insomnia, Macabre

Macabre (2)

- Alchemist21, Wimpy

insomnia (1)

- AaronFrost

JTheophrastus Bartholomew (3)

- profii, Egix96, Chara

profii (2)

- Ame, Luca Blight

Egix96 (1)

- JTheophrastus Bartholomew

Not Voting (1)

— EeveeLution Army

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[Luca Blight]

What didn't you like about it?

It was short and lacked an RVS vote.

As for the Profii vote, that makes sense. Profii’s actually giving me weird vibes too because they’ll say something about either Insomnia or myself that looks like they’re trying to understand both of our viewpoints but then they seem to doubtcast their own conclusions and I can’t tell if they’re actually confused or trying to play both sides of the discussion without having to commit to a stance on either of us.

I’m feeling ambivalent about Alchemist so far. I like this perspective on Profii, but I’m left wondering why there’s no vote/push from Alchemist? It seems like he’s playing it cautiously himself.

[Luca Blight]

So what are you scum reading me for again?

Mostly for post 56 which felt a little exaggerated and forced to me. Followed by your immediate retraction about two minutes later. To me it read like 'oh shit I said something that might be perceived as scummy better retract it real quick.'

It's not a strong read tbh but it's a start.

I like this thought-process, I think Frost is Town.

[insomnia]

Chara, walk me through your scum read on JB? Actually kinda following his thought process on Egix and profii. Although "premature", there's definitely a reasonable thing to assume. It's almost like you disregard the reads in an of themselves because he just made a pre-flip association instead of looking individually into each of them. You mentioned profii was a little scummy already, you think Egix is not either?

[Luca Blight]

I’ve just noticed that Alchemist explained a little about why he’s still voting Macabre instead of Profii in 198. I can’t really say I like his reasoning as it’s a really passive way of trying to sort his reads, but it could just be a playstyle thing.

[Luca Blight]

On balance I have Alchemist as a slight town lean.

I’m still happy with my Profii vote - there’s nothing about his play thus far that makes me think he’s Town.

[Macabre]

The Chimera is only suspicious for getting involved in a conversation of another, which they had no strong commitment in! It is so!

[Macabre]

To place attention on another without suspecting them is indeed a malicious act! Scary!

[insomnia]

I think Ame is town fwiw.

Someone's gonna have to sort Aaron for me.

JB is a town lean for me. So is Luca, although it's weak.

I am careful with clearing Chara here, I'm waiting for them to answer my question, but I feel like they should've been a lot more obvious as a town here, just based on my memory from other games.

Egix is scum for me. So is Alch.

Looker...is probably sitting at a null.

Wimpy's prob town, but it could be biased.

Eevolution (sorry if I butchered it) has to post more, I don't think anything is AI so far that it deserves a read right now.

[insomnia]

Like maybe you could've been trying to instigate something there but it honestly seemed like you were trying to figure out whether his reaction to pressure would be personality indicative or alignment indicative which is +town points for you

Why though? I think this is a... what do you call it? Flimsy trust tell?

Again, just because he asked if Wimpy's easily falling to pressure doesn't mean that :

a) He's not gonna push him
b) He's actually gonna consider this at some point

Asking him if he falls easily for pressure is literally pointless here. I don't see why it's worthy of town points. It's not sorting Wimpy's role and he didn't even come to the right conclusion with regards to pressure.

I guess the best way to put it is that Alch is really methodical in his approach to what he chooses to focus on out of his own volition. The town read on me, the pressure thing with Wimpy.

Again, asking someone whether they are easily pressured is not an indicator for figuring them, since it's asked in a way that's NAI.

Realistically speaking, when are you ever going to stop pushing someone that you think is scum just because they flail as either alignment? lol

[Macabre]

it does make me wonder about what seems to be a consensus against profii, who as far as i can see hasn't done anything acutely scummy except for "bad vibes". not sure yet if it means an intuitive feeling on the part of some townies that she's scum, or scum seeing some remarks against a player and deciding they work.

The mistake you had made was listening for vibrations when evidence has been given! Do not let your one-eye go lazy, and look for the testimonies of the Chimera's guilt! Diligence!

For Ame, I had an initial scum read on profii, nothing too strong, just a gut feeling upon seeing his first vote. I never decided to chase that read but now that Chara voted I thought they had the same idea of scum reading Profii so I decided to vote as well.

This isn't scummy, but it is a tad bit off, and gives me the impression that profii is anxious to establish rapport with somni.

This was also off:
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It's fairly obvious from your #64 that you hadn't played with Wimpy, so this added no value and comes off to me as pseudoengagement.


That was the reasoning at the time of my post, but while we're on the subject, this also gives me the same vibes:
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It was short and lacked an RVS vote.

As for the Profii vote, that makes sense. Profii’s actually giving me weird vibes too because they’ll say something about either Insomnia or myself that looks like they’re trying to understand both of our viewpoints but then they seem to doubtcast their own conclusions and I can’t tell if they’re actually confused or trying to play both sides of the discussion without having to commit to a stance on either of us.

[Macabre]

It is troubling that the Colonel wished to go from one game state to another, and wanted honors as a result! However! Later evidence has become indeterminate, not invalid! Equally likely to be in favor of his guilt or innocence. Sad!

Macabre thinks I made some kind of Freudian slip with me and Wimpy when I’m trying to understand his posts and am obviously confused by them and I don’t know why and I’m expecting myself to be confused again when he starts talking about more people. Also, the term “sleeps with,” which is what confused me initially, is apparently an accusation of you two being scum together but I never got a clear answer on that from Macabre, and if there are more euphemisms like that in store I’ll probably be confused by them too.

[Macabre]

Has this sleepy boy given his thoughts on the relationship the Colonel and Burger share, or has he been a restful boy? Sloth!

[insomnia]

I don't think they're scum together if that's what you are referring to.

[Egix96]

Okay, I think I'm here now. First, the simple approach.

@Ame / JTheophrastus Bartholomew / Luca Blight / Egix96 / profii:

Who among you is town? I don't really expect any of you to know, but it's good for managing consistency in the future. I personally have no idea.

VOTE: Luca Blight Votes keep the game moving

I think that profii is town. I'm also at null-town on Ame because I agree with Chara's reasoning in 164.

One thing I find interesting about this wagon is that no one has really jumped to profii's defense. Most people seem to have him as a scumread and/or are voting him right now. Is anybody townreading him right now? If so why?

I am, and it's for something similar to what you've pointed out here - I think that he's been under too much suspicion for too little reasoning (or, to put it another way, I see people voting him but I don't find the reasoning to be all that compelling). I would be very surprised if he flipped red.

[insomnia]

So your read on profii is town because our reasoning for accusing him is lackluster? That makes him an auto town?

[Egix96]

Okay, I think I'm here now. First, the simple approach.

@Ame / JTheophrastus Bartholomew / Luca Blight / Egix96 / profii:

Who among you is town? I don't really expect any of you to know, but it's good for managing consistency in the future. I personally have no idea.

VOTE: Luca Blight Votes keep the game moving

Why did you pick these names for this question. Why did you vote Luca out of all of them?

I don't like the direction you're taking with this question. Hopefully I should not be needing to elaborate.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Alchemist