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Post Post #3800 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:58 am

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In post 3266, Titus wrote:1.19
The same names from NaCl form the pops wagon, minus Pine but a bit slower. The first two are locktown. Elsa probably isn't scum due to earlier wagons (which I can elaborate on if needed). So if pops was a bus it would have to be SS or pisskop.
I don't buy 1.19 being all town. SS doesn't feel scummy by play or by wagons (well by play excludes today).

NaCl and pops have similar wagon compositions suggesting the targets share an alignment.
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Post Post #3801 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:00 am

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Hectic is an interesting person to read, and has a lot of posts. There was a point day 1 I thought him and Pops were never SvS, because of how blatantly they were hard aligning. Now, looking back, they were... hard aligning, lol, and those terrible associations are really hard to ignore. If Hectic is town, its a great example of why tying yourself to a townie is a good play - because they always die. And if Hectic is scum, then my posting is an example of why hard aligning is a good play - because scum rarely do it. Dunno.
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Post Post #3802 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:06 am

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Eddie, with respect, can we not start a new wagon is the NaCl? The high participation rate suggests one is scum?
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Post Post #3803 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:08 am

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You can start a NaCl wagon! In his scum game with Pops that I linked, there was a decent amount of theater and I saw his scum game was actually pretty good.

I still don't think I'm moving my vote from unwnd, though.
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Post Post #3804 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:10 am

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Fwiw, Dann just chimed in on Discord and said he town reads Elsa as well.
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Post Post #3805 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:10 am

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In post 3803, Eddie Cane wrote:You can start a NaCl wagon! In his scum game with Pops that I linked, there was a decent amount of theater and I saw his scum game was actually pretty good.

I still don't think I'm moving my vote from unwnd, though.
I tried an NaCl wagon, no one would join. Why would I try again? I tried everything from cooperation to blackmailing scum. The only wagon that would ever take on a suspect is Pisskop
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Post Post #3806 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:12 am

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You think unwnd is town?
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Post Post #3807 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:13 am

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In post 3806, Eddie Cane wrote:You think unwnd is town?
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Post Post #3808 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:14 am

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Can you case that please?
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Post Post #3809 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:19 am

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In post 3808, Eddie Cane wrote:Can you case that please?
Sure. After unwind unvoted, the pops wagon ended. It looks as if scum gave us. However, there is a counter argument Krazy is scum by NaCl.

I don't like it though because Krazy's frustration looked genuine AND town.
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Post Post #3810 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:25 am

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In post 2520, Titus wrote:VOTE: Pops

@Eddie, I am just apathetic and exhausted IRL.
In post 2524, unwnd wrote:VOTE: unvote
He unvoted 4 posts after you (momentum stopping) and when he was the new third competing wagon (making it Eddie v Pops v unwnd). At the point Pops and Unwnd are competing wagons, its pretty clear I am now viewed as townie; I was very evidently not aligned with either of them. So I don't think its overtly townie to unvote at that point and more null, because its pretty clear I'm not dying.

To be clear, I still have you as hard town and I don't think you're with unwnd. I just don't agree.
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Post Post #3811 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:28 am

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In post 3810, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 2520, Titus wrote:VOTE: Pops

@Eddie, I am just apathetic and exhausted IRL.
In post 2524, unwnd wrote:VOTE: unvote
He unvoted 4 posts after you (momentum stopping) and when he was the new third competing wagon (making it Eddie v Pops v unwnd). At the point Pops and Unwnd are competing wagons, its pretty clear I am now viewed as townie; I was very evidently not aligned with either of them. So I don't think its overtly townie to unvote at that point and more null, because its pretty clear I'm not dying.

To be clear, I still have you as hard town and I don't think you're with unwnd. I just don't agree.
I understand. Based on vote history, his only partner is NaCl though.
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Post Post #3812 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:31 am

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In post 3681, NaCl wrote:Nancy, could you summarize your opinion on Titus and Pisskop? I want to make sure of where you stand.

For Titus is it "I think she's town but I don't trust her reads".
And for Pisskop it's "I think he's probably scum"?
Well she’s wrongly sr me, so is this a serious question? Yeah, when it comes to me, she’s being blind town.
I liked DDL’s case, based on his position on the wagon and his Eddie votes are the most suspicious, since Elsa only voted after Krazy made the “massive apology” post and Krazy was possibly omgussing.
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Post Post #3813 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:32 am

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That would make pops an all town wagon, and I'm not a fan of that.
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Post Post #3814 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:33 am

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In post 3798, Elsa Jay wrote:I'm calling you what you are Hectic, since you wont get off of me when clearly over half the town is going a different direction today.

Actually try solving other slots instead of going "Lynch Elsa" for 5 days in a row.
Do you mind giving us a shotgun reads list, Elsa? I can't see one from scrolling up your ISO.
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Post Post #3815 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:33 am

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In post 3812, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 3681, NaCl wrote:Nancy, could you summarize your opinion on Titus and Pisskop? I want to make sure of where you stand.

For Titus is it "I think she's town but I don't trust her reads".
And for Pisskop it's "I think he's probably scum"?
Well she’s wrongly sr me, so is this a serious question? Yeah, when it comes to me, she’s being blind town.
I liked DDL’s case, based on his position on the wagon and his Eddie votes are the most suspicious, since Elsa only voted after Krazy made the “massive apology” post and Krazy was possibly omgussing.
There's a difference between you're in my scumpool versus I'm lock scumreading you.
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Post Post #3816 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:34 am

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I don't think so? What precludes him from being with Piss, Bob, Hectic?
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Post Post #3817 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:37 am

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In post 3801, Eddie Cane wrote:Hectic is an interesting person to read, and has a lot of posts. There was a point day 1 I thought him and Pops were never SvS, because of how blatantly they were hard aligning. Now, looking back, they were... hard aligning, lol, and those terrible associations are really hard to ignore. If Hectic is town, its a great example of why tying yourself to a townie is a good play - because they always die. And if Hectic is scum, then my posting is an example of why hard aligning is a good play - because scum rarely do it. Dunno.
If I'm being honest, if I see two people hard aligning, those two are gonna be more often scum together than the baseline for the odds of them being scum together. However, I think the important thing is to see how I came to align with Pops, and if you think my reasons were legitimate.
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Post Post #3818 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:39 am

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I don't think that's true day 1. For similar reasons that scum don't often put their partner in the top row of their reads list. Theory debate, though.
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Post Post #3819 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:39 am

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In post 3816, Eddie Cane wrote:I don't think so? What precludes him from being with Piss, Bob, Hectic?
Wagon positions.
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Post Post #3820 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:44 am

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In post 1900, Micc wrote:
Votecount 1.21
popsofctown (5) -
Eddie Cane, Amrun, Something_Smart, pisskop, Elsa Jay
Pine (3) -
Hectic, Krazy, Nancy Drew 39
NaCl (2) -
Pine, Titus
Titus (1) -
bob3141
Something_Smart (1) -
DrDolittle
DrDolittle (1) -
OkaPoka
Eddie Cane (1) -
popsofctown

Not Voting (1) -
NaCl

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).
If you're looking at this in a vaccum, Krazy NaCl and bob would work. Yet that's too many scum. NaCl bob could be a thing.
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Post Post #3821 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:45 am

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In post 2015, Micc wrote:
Votecount 1.22
popsofctown (5) -
Eddie Cane, Amrun, Something_Smart, Elsa Jay, Titus
Eddie Cane (4) -
popsofctown, Krazy, pisskop, OkaPoka
Pine (2) -
Hectic, Nancy Drew 39
NaCl (1) -
Pine
Titus (1) -
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Something_Smart (1) -
DrDolittle

Not Voting (1) -
NaCl

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).
Here would be a scum overload.
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Post Post #3822 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:47 am

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In post 3810, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 2520, Titus wrote:VOTE: Pops

@Eddie, I am just apathetic and exhausted IRL.
In post 2524, unwnd wrote:VOTE: unvote
He unvoted 4 posts after you (momentum stopping) and when he was the new third competing wagon (making it Eddie v Pops v unwnd). At the point Pops and Unwnd are competing wagons, its pretty clear I am now viewed as townie; I was very evidently not aligned with either of them. So I don't think its overtly townie to unvote at that point and more null, because its pretty clear I'm not dying.

To be clear, I still have you as hard town and I don't think you're with unwnd. I just don't agree.
I really think you just have the mentality of falling on your own sword when it comes to this Krazy read
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Post Post #3823 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:49 am

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In post 3820, Titus wrote:
In post 1900, Micc wrote:
Votecount 1.21
popsofctown (5) -
Eddie Cane, Amrun, Something_Smart, pisskop, Elsa Jay
Pine (3) -
Hectic, Krazy, Nancy Drew 39
NaCl (2) -
Pine, Titus
Titus (1) -
bob3141
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DrDolittle (1) -
OkaPoka
Eddie Cane (1) -
popsofctown

Not Voting (1) -
NaCl

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).
If you're looking at this in a vaccum, Krazy NaCl and bob would work. Yet that's too many scum. NaCl bob could be a thing.
Pops Krazy + someone in SS Piss Elsa = standard distancing
Pops Krazy + NaCl yes works
Pops Krazy + bob = three scum pushing different angles, also pretty common

like just reading off of one vote count is not something I support.

In post 3821, Titus wrote:
In post 2015, Micc wrote:
Votecount 1.22
popsofctown (5) -
Eddie Cane, Amrun, Something_Smart, Elsa Jay, Titus
Eddie Cane (4) -
popsofctown, Krazy, pisskop, OkaPoka
Pine (2) -
Hectic, Nancy Drew 39
NaCl (1) -
Pine
Titus (1) -
bob3141
Something_Smart (1) -
DrDolittle

Not Voting (1) -
NaCl

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).
Here would be a scum overload.
In the world where Krazy and Pops are both scum, I am clearly a massive threat to the scum team, so overloading on me is fine. Although like I said, I don't believe its likely that Krazy Piss Pops is the solve.
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Post Post #3824 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:50 am

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In post 3822, unwnd wrote:I really think you just have the mentality of falling on your own sword when it comes to this Krazy read
Wdym?
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