Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[Aristophanes]

Heya Skitty!

I am indeed around! Was about to do that RCE reading but I'd love to jive with ya!

[RadiantCowbells]

I would like first dibs on Skitter when she's caught up pls

[Aristophanes]

I would like first dibs on Skitter when she's caught up pls

NP I'll do my thing then. Do have your fun you two

[skitter30]

I don't agree with that read actually.

I'm starting to think RCE actually makes more sense as the deepwolf than Skitter.

I actually can't see why people are townreading him?

he has firm, unwavering opinions that stand up against people disagreeing with him/protesting his stances
he's made several townie posts/thoughts/observations at times that were p much exactly what i was thinking
like he isn't posting a lot but all of it is ~good~

i track his thought process, and what he's doing, and how it follows from what he was thinking before

and the fact that you're starting to question townreads on him right after he reaffirms his sr of you / intent to vote you is just ... not good

[skitter30]

i'm working on it ... you guys post a lot

[skitter30]

Also everyone is playing the associative game with 0 scumflips. Which is cool if that's what you do but has no bearing for me if all we're flipping is town.

again just reiterating that the way that like half of you is approaching the game is just plain ridiculous ^^^

[skitter30]

The read in there that probably confuses the most people is Plum, but like I think that her iso is a lot harder to fake than it looks to an untrained eye
So... even if we lynch me we can obliterate the entire pool of people that I think contains all the scum

you realize you went from strongly considering her scum to townreading her without her posting in between, right?

[skitter30]

There’s no way town Ari writes this.

Two Neutral Killers and a scum team? And no deaths overnight?

Hahahaha

BBmolla’s response is paraphrased as How is Ari still breathing?

I am literally puppeting my team’s reads.

math i think your'e tunneled on ari
i don't think he flips scum here

[skitter30]

If he's not town loses literally 100% of the time

This is empty hyperbole.

Town loses if we don’t lynch scum on day two with a save already.

This is empty rhetoric RC. You know better.

no it's a pretty bang on assessment

[skitter30]

At least she's one of the 3 people who isn't v/la this weekend! Might give you a chance to hash things out

well, i'm vla every weekend, but you know

[skitter30]

Aristophanes (4): Iconeum, MathBlade, Flopz, teacher
RadiantCowbells (2): skitter30, RCEnigma
RCEnigma (1): RadiantCowbells

Not voting (5): tris, Plum, Bellaphant, Xtoxm, Aristophanes

like this vc is just kinda gross
i don't trust the latter half of the ari wagon
rc your vote on rce is awful
and the entire lurker pool + ari is not voting

[skitter30]

Already in bed so I'm going to make this brief and follow it up tomorrow. Our team had 1 and only 1 scum role PM which has now flipped. Given NSGs IRL circumstances she has had barely any time to play TM at all. Nothing I said about her inactivity was untrue or exaggerated in the slightest. I also want to make it clear that there is a reason that NSG read and meaningfully gave reads in this game before she did anything else in TM. We legitimately assumed this slot was going to be locktown nk bait from day 1 due to claim and more general reasons so we wanted to get this game on the right track early. TW deathtunneling us made that impossible and while she tried for part of it she at some point just got tired of the toxicity and didn't want to read even when she was around. We're still town in this game and both or is are capable of really great things read wise but none of that matters unless people can trust us.

This town can't afford to mislynch us or to ignore us.

i have a lot of thoughts on how u lot played this collectively but it's probably the sort of thing that would be better for postgame so whatever, i guess

[Aristophanes]

At least she's one of the 3 people who isn't v/la this weekend! Might give you a chance to hash things out

well, i'm vla every weekend, but you know

Oh...

The List Groweth!

I think it just leaves RC and I tbh. Like literally.
Maybe the replacements too but they have a whole nother thing to figure out so good luck to them

[skitter30]

Cant wait to read all this 156 pages of quality content when i replace in

saudade !!!!
hi !!!!

[skitter30]

is that a serious claim?

no, it's not, to clarify
no matter what he says

[skitter30]

ok i'm caught up

i'm p confident i can read saudade so i'm happy he repped in
also he's cool and i like playing with him

i still want to vote the plum slot but i can give shos some time to read ad stuff before we get in there

i don't know if i still scumread rc

i want to push teacher tho

VOTE: teacher

[RadiantCowbells]

ok can we talk for a bit

[skitter30]

sure

[RadiantCowbells]

itt: i feel like in my head i should be able to explain why i'm town but i can't find the words so i'm just like floundering kinda

[skitter30]

ok
see what you can do
because your thing yesterday was ... not good for the entire game
and i think that if you are in fact town here, me deathtunneling you and trying to get you lynched rn will put town in a p awful position that i'm not sure we'll be able to recover from
(which, you know, i'm trying to avoid
which, you know, you're apparently scumreading me for)

so if you can like articulate it in a way that i can see it i think that would probably be the best outcome for everyone

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm writing something up, i'll start by saying that i don't think that you're scum and i didn't think that for more than like an hour when i was getting stressed out

[Aristophanes]

Dammit, RCE is probably town. I took a step back and dialed my OMGUS back, as well as actually reading his posts, and they're actually pretty towny and I see effort in solving the game present.

Time to rethink some things. I honestly didn't expect this, and it became evident a lot earlier in his ISO than I ever would have thought.

[RadiantCowbells]

ok so like i have always struggled to read people when i am getting scumread. i have fixed the vast majority of my weak points over time, but that one i haven't really been able to do much about
well over half of the people i mislynched this year got mislynched for the singular reason that they had a crappy scumread on me that i couldn't understand and i scumread them for it.

look at the newbie game where i was like confidently townreading you then you start scumreading me and i can't see it anymore and i'm just mad and frustrated and i scumread you
hell, look at a long time ago the c9++ game and that was when i could just snapread on you on a dime. couldn't see it when you're calling me scum.
i've been accused of doing it strategically mislynching people and honestly i rolled with that in the past because i wanted to seem better than i was like it was all part of the plan
i really just can't tell the difference anymore at a certain point.

i'm not saying that i literally am not capable of faking any of the TW/paranoiaing on you/RCE as scum. if i truly cared enough and was willing to play this way and thought it was correct.
but like, i wouldn't want to. from the moment of TW turning on me there were so many other plays and frankly i wouldn't have set him off calling Eddie Cane's reads shit if i were scum
this might conflict with your image of me but i just wouldn't go there if i didn't have absolutely no other choice and even if i did have no other choice i might still not have?
plus just activity, everyone is literally going to townread me more if i'm posting less and everyone is also going to like me more if i'm posting less.
but i just compulsively have to express my thoughts and i haven't really had anyone on my team to coordinate with so i've been "spamming/shitting up the thread"

i am however not capable of faking the little stuff like the immediate response and regardless of being wrong i feel like it should be obvious that my position made sense and i was approaching things in a towny way? like if i'm scum none of the motivations that came into play with regards to my read transitions on tris/plum/etc would have come into play. like this feels like i'm referencing something irrelevant but anything that you'd think of as a relevant thing to think of i have the ability to fake as scum. I cannot fake the being in the moment reactivity and the way that my reads progress all over the place towards the end result. i've said that many times, i get away with deathtunneling people as scum most of the time because I *also* do that as scum and I actually don't look like this in terms of the whole all over the placeness all the time as town but it's really something that I don't have the ability to do



Also for unrelated reasons and not referencing anything in particular, literally anyone can say something and say that someone else said something but that doesn't mean that they said something.

[RadiantCowbells]

the plum transition was basically thinking she wasn't TvS with you. I went back on that as soon as i felt like you were town again
basically i won't say i'm confident on RCE but i'm confident on you and i am willing to trust your ability to read him because i realize that i just am too frustrated to be objective

other than that our reads really aren't that different (and outside of D1 equiv TW ig), except the order that we'd lynch our scumreads ig and the fact that i'm not, like, sure Ari is town?
like he's either town or scum but i think that we solve that by lynching around him more easily than lynching him because

if he's scum it's pretty frigging clear that remaining scum is in 3, maybe 4 people whereas if he's town that says nothing about Tris or Plum's weird treatment of him and the people pushing him could be scum

[RadiantCowbells]

i am relatively confident that there's no deepwolf deeper than teacher atp, if you would call him a deepwolf.