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Post Post #4200 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:18 pm

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In post 4066, Saudade wrote:Ari are you going to scumhunt because so far everyones been posting walls and stuff and you were just amusing yourself looking througn my posts
In post 4088, Saudade wrote:I dont like ari so far
This is an entirely reasonable thing to position as going in the direction of pushing Ari rather than Plum. Saying otherwise and being that reactive to it is...
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Post Post #4201 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:20 pm

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In post 4153, skitter30 wrote:
In post 4117, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 4102, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: Shos

Ico, Ari, let's get this game figured out.
/in =D

How can I help :)

I think we should leave Saudade around for the interim. Shos is a decent place to start though!
can i interest you in voting shos ?
Yeah very probably tbh!

I almost did in that post above tbh.

But now things have blown up and I want to read them first...
Though I guess it doesn't hurt having a vote down while I do read up and parse RC vs Math

VOTE: shos
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Post Post #4202 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:20 pm

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In post 4163, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 4160, skitter30 wrote:
In post 4126, RadiantCowbells wrote:Nah.

NSG didn't tell me to vote TW yesterday, she told me to vote Mathblade. I ignored her. I was wrong to do so.
rc just like ...
did you make up all the nsg conversations or like ...
Literally

the only change we're talking about is with regards to Mathblade
She did in fact say that Ari was a bad lynch and that I should probably unvote TW.

There's a reason I explicitly said at the time NSG wasn't reading Mathblade because I wanted to leave it out.
you realize taht this kinda changes how i perceive yesterday, right?
like i thought at least part of the reason you were so stubborn on tw was because nsg was also scumreading him ?
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Post Post #4203 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:20 pm

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In post 4165, teacher wrote:Well there goes that productive thread atmosphere. I’m off to bed. Maths not being lynched today.
ya i feel like this too ...
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Post Post #4204 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:20 pm

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In post 4200, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 4066, Saudade wrote:Ari are you going to scumhunt because so far everyones been posting walls and stuff and you were just amusing yourself looking througn my posts
In post 4088, Saudade wrote:I dont like ari so far
This is an entirely reasonable thing to position as going in the direction of pushing Ari rather than Plum. Saying otherwise and being that reactive to it is...
yeah that's not an unreasonable thing to say at that point
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"Pride will tear us both apart"
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Post Post #4205 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:21 pm

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I am completely fine lynching Shos as well btw

the game finally clicked.

I struggled to parse exactly why all the votes were the way they are until I realized that I was just, like, not actually considering Mathblade as scum and as soon as I did that
you realize taht this kinda changes how i perceive yesterday, right?
like i thought at least part of the reason you were so stubborn on tw was because nsg was also scumreading him ?
She was though.

I think you're misunderstanding something: please clarify exactly what you think vs don't think.
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Post Post #4206 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:21 pm

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In post 4199, Saudade wrote:
In post 4186, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 4149, Saudade wrote:
In post 4137, RadiantCowbells wrote:Look at Sau tryign to gently push the wagon onto Ari, look at Math's associatives with him this interaction fucking reeked

you will die today for this
DIE
WTF bro.

He's making a case and making a read. He looked at your posting and read the intention behind them, correctly or not, in this fashion.

If you are going to go berserker on anyone who misreads your intentions this really isn't a good passtime for you.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
well rc does have a history of being absolutely terrible
VOTE: unvote
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Post Post #4207 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:22 pm

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if I don't have to play self defense the gamestate can be a lot calmer.
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Post Post #4208 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:22 pm

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I dont know it feels artificial as fuck
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Post Post #4209 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:23 pm

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In post 4207, RadiantCowbells wrote:if I don't have to play self defense the gamestate can be a lot calmer.
dont threaten us
Passion or coincidence once prompted you to say
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Post Post #4210 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:23 pm

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no, it doesn't. i have played anonymously enough to know that I exude genuineness and that people have to convince themselves to ignore it or dilute it mentally. even as scum. i'm never artificial.
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Post Post #4211 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:23 pm

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no, it doesn't. i have played anonymously enough to know that I exude genuineness and that people have to convince themselves to ignore it or dilute it mentally. even as scum. i'm never artificial.
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Post Post #4212 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:24 pm

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anyway going after mathblade directly won't help.

VOTE: Shos

Either I'm alive to deal with Math tomorrow or you guys know exactly why I was nightkilled.
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Post Post #4213 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:24 pm

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sure, I'm never x y z said by a b and c

i see shit lines like this in every game by every player with a little bit of ego who somehow stringed 3 wins in a row some time
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Post Post #4214 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:24 pm

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In post 4198, skitter30 wrote:
In post 4155, teacher wrote:
In post 4131, skitter30 wrote:i feel like i usually have a stronger sense for town!you by now
liek i def did in the c9++ game
Iummm, no?

You called me scum that game?

All game?

That’s the game where I linked how many times you misread me before?

Just no.
it's possible that i'm conflating differnet games (i've played a lot and a few are starting to run together in my head at this point)
or maybe i'm thinking of later in the game (i.e. a later part of the gamestate than where we are here, comparitively)

you might be right tho, let me take a look (tomorrow (irl)) and it's possible that i'm just very badly misremembering because the picutre i have in my head of you is 'easy to read-ish around day2 by postcount, secondarily by contributions'
I fake claimed dr because you were on my wagon D1 (I think) You saw the real dr crumb and so never lost the scumread of me even when menalque (as scum) tried to help us. I tried to tell you I was fakeclaiming by repeatedly linking back to Shoshin in 2080 - who had fake claimed - but you never picked up on it.

Thinking back, 2080 you had me ok. That’s the one time I think you had me ok, but overall you don’t read me that well.
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Post Post #4215 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:25 pm

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In post 4213, Saudade wrote:sure, I'm never x y z said by a b and c

i see shit lines like this in every game by every player with a little bit of ego who somehow stringed 3 wins in a row some time
try 26

shh
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Post Post #4216 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:27 pm

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In post 4168, MathBlade wrote:Because mass claim outs protectives if any.

If scum don’t realize who the protectives are then we lose the upper hand.

Right now RC either as town or scum doesn’t like the fact the block trusts me and not him.

Like mainly it’s a matter of figuring out if he’s doing this because Ari was picking up steam.

If he’s scum then...
He picked a fight with TW after TW voted him when I was pushing Ari he just waited til someone voted him. He knew that lynching a claimed detective is bad so he voted TW and kept spamming making a case impossible.

If he’s town then he can’t stand when he doesn’t get his way. Anyone else in the limelight pisses him off.

Like for the same reason we shouldn’t lynch Ari yesterday (no content b/c life) Shos has the same reason
Yet RC thinks it’s okay to pressure shos and not Ari

What exactly is the difference?
ok i think i might bounce soon because i think getting tired since i'm trying to read this and it's not really making sense but i'll try to unpack this:

right there likely being protectives is something that that we'll have to take into account sure. again, i didn't just say 'let's all lol-claim tomorrow'. i said i want to put rc on the backburner when he pointed out that his claim wouldn't necessarily make sense in massclaim. obviously massclaiming today to check that statement is ridiculous, so i said that we'll revisit that point tomorrow. the implication is that we'll be trying to decide if massclaim is a good idea then or not, not that we will for sure be having massclaim tomorrow

you're very badly misreading my words, and since i keep correcting you and you're ignoring me it feels like it's on purpose

i don't understand the comparison you're drawing between shos and ari here tbh
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Post Post #4217 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:28 pm

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ok i'm starting to become tired and should probably head to bed
and i don't think i can really read the rc/math thing rn and do it any sort of justice

but i will pick up at tomorrow
and i still endorse the shos thing
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Post Post #4218 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:29 pm

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I won't spam this time.

we got this.
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Post Post #4219 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:31 pm

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Vote Count 2.5
Aristophanes
(3): Flopz, teacher, Iconeum
shos
(3): skitter30, Aristophanes, RadiantCowbells
RadiantCowbells
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(1): MathBlade

Not voting (4): shos, Bellaphant, Xtoxm, Saudade

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Deadline is set to 4 PM PST on January 31st, in (expired on 2020-01-31 20:00:00).


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Post Post #4220 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:32 pm

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Skitter like

Teacher can still plausibly be scum I guess. Like I can't literally clear him. But nothing that he has posted makes me think this is a person who is likely to flip scum.
You're sure RCE is town. I can see why you would think that.
I know that I'm town.
You know that you're town.
Ari, well, at some point he's out of his scum range and I'm not sure where that was but.
Iconeum is hilariously townie
Flopz trust me on

Then like
I really do townread Bella but I'm not as sure so like I'm putting her in the *vague middle area* despite not thinking she's scum
Xtoxm is difficult to read off of what they've done so sure they're in the middle

That really does leave
Math/Sau/Shos
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Post Post #4221 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:33 pm

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rc i'm like perpetually 30 min / 2 pages behind and i've been here for like close to three hours tonight
i'm going to go to sleep and try to figure out where your math thing came from tomorrow
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Post Post #4222 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:35 pm

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And now that we have like

*perspective* on everything

Remember when Mathblade was trying to say "oh check who my scumpartners are?"
He was literally saying that to his buddies and me and right after he hard distanced with both Tris&Plum. Of course he's going to be emphasizing partner relations when he's in full distance mode.
rc i'm like perpetually 30 min / 2 pages behind and i've been here for like close to three hours tonight
i'm going to go to sleep and try to figure out where your math thing came from tomorrow
Honestly like the thing happened but it's really just PoE
I don't think Teacher is interacting with you like scum and I've struggled to make sense of who the scumteam is with all of my townreads but
as soon as you add Math to the scumteam every single thing that happened this game aligns

Honestly Tris/Sau despite his ridiculous turn on me is the one that I'm not sure on
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Post Post #4223 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:38 pm

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Sau I'm town dude

if you're town we should be able to hash this out
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Post Post #4224 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:41 pm

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I am going to have to sleep on this and convene with my team, RC. I like what you're saying and how you've gotten there (minus the No Kill because I'm still slightly ??? on that one despite understanding the mechanics of it as presented, it's just weird motivationally).

I finally got caught up and it's well past my intended bedtime now so yeah. I'm intrigued if nothing else!
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