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[Almost50]

Not that anybody cares, but did you know that both NK'd players had ANK as a STRING SCUM READ? Like, Farkan had both Ank & chenn as explicit SRs, while Volpe had nomnom & Ank at his likely scum tier which was his lowest rank.

Interestingly, Elements had both nom & chenn as scum (only 2 explicit SRs) but had Ank as Town. But then Elements was not NK'd so..

I know, I know.. they're dead so they have no say and their reads mean shit because we know better (and we being still alive proves it. Right?)

[Ankamius]

I think FL is skirting around, kuribo is lol pushing EP to get FL last man standing ability (as he overreacted to elements) and nomnom is taking the same approach she has taken with elements and not getting her feet warm in the most hot wagon of the day that it's not me.

In the hood I made clear that I was commuting Ank. I think that a scum team outside of nomnom/FL especially would kill either me to frame them or Ank because she would have such a good solve by TR both of them/me.

They killed Fark that was lukewarm about nomnom, FL, Gamma, Ank and that the NK wouldn't make a nomnom/FL team look bad.

I don't see Ank as scum here so the most reasonable deduction is that it's probably FL/nomnom. Alternatively almost all the scum team is in the lurkers but I think I would go with the first guess.

We know as a fact that elements was town and the ultra lynchbaity in the game. Do you think that scum see'ing me pushing them would likely jump on it like Ank?

I don't think so. I think scum see'ing that wagon would get a bit shy about it and even kuribo voted elements mostly behind the shield of "it's trust tell and needs to die" which isn't like kuribo was actually scum reading Elems or at least he could have passed off like that in the next day.

There was two people that besides me paid attention to Elements:

Ank and Fark, and I think in the hood I said about me giving town points to them (and one of the reasons I commuted Ank anyway). One of them flipped town, do you think Ank isn't?

Nomnom/FL were also shading Fark by the way while I was town leaning the guy (and I'm see'ing the same pattern to their treatment of Ank).

VOTE: flavor leaf

I think I scum read FL even more than nomnom.

You know Ank, I'm just gonna treat you as my mason now that Fark is dead. I don't feel bad about GiF and I do understand he might have IRL reasons but his lack of reply in the hood makes me want to move you to my top town read.

By the way we should retire after this game.

yup volpe was definitely scumreading me

[MariaR]

This whole talk is making me want to retreat into my PT and talk with Dunn honestly, but he's fine with your reasoning around me. I just feel uneasy.

I don't think Gamma voting Deas is that groundbreaking. I'm not following you on the nomnom townread line. Mostly because I don't fully understand it.

[MariaR]

Ank asking me for my reads kinda hit me in the gut because I had to pause and go 'uh' and that's bad on day 3 to me. Along with the whole 'game state shift' thing that makes me go ??? Like, nothing has made me really change my mind much. I don't feel like my reads have shifted much yet my confidence level on certain reads isn't at what I want them to be. This is kinda just a ramble

[Ankamius]

This whole talk is making me want to retreat into my PT and talk with Dunn honestly, but he's fine with your reasoning around me. I just feel uneasy.

I don't think Gamma voting Deas is that groundbreaking. I'm not following you on the nomnom townread line. Mostly because I don't fully understand it.

if nom is scum, then I can easily see one of the reasons Volpe was killed being so that people would protect her from being lynched today since there was such a huge deal made about the last man standing power in that hood (and GiF being almost entirely absent for most of the game), especially since there was a good amount of talk made about not lynching in that hood specifically for that reason before

even if I'm misremembering and it's just A50 pushing that both days, then it just makes a50 look really bad and a prime mislynch target later, so

and nomnomnom has been such a popular scumread over time that just townreading her outright is a much harder road to protecting her since it's far more easy to challenge in a way that could potentially out both of them as scum.

in the case that nomnomnom is town and gamma is scum, that's still a weird stance to risk going toe to toe on since it's still a somewhat unpopular stance and it would be hard to justify with the rest of his reads being fairly standard and workable otherwise

main thing is that I expect scum to be wanting to protect scum!nom indirectly via having town protect her rather than protecting her themselves, and this way also potentially keeps nomnomnom as a permanent mislynch target without outright derailing it for the future in a town!nom world

[Flavor Leaf]

Deb/gamma
Ank/Chennis/A50
Nomnom/Firebringer
FL/EP

Maria, Dave, Kuribo, Pant, DV

Means Gamma/DEB were with Fakran or Volxen, likely means scum is in them.

[Ankamius]

Ank asking me for my reads kinda hit me in the gut because I had to pause and go 'uh' and that's bad on day 3 to me. Along with the whole 'game state shift' thing that makes me go ??? Like, nothing has made me really change my mind much. I don't feel like my reads have shifted much yet my confidence level on certain reads isn't at what I want them to be. This is kinda just a ramble

ngl

I've been a lot less willing to put effort into this game up until d3 started

I haven't really been retaining most of the game

[Almost50]

[Volpe] - Town
[A50, GiF, Chennis] - Likely town
[Vex, Fark, Dave, Espresso, DeasVail, Dr EB] - nulltown
[Gamma, Volxen] - null
[Kuribo, Flavor, MariaR] - nullscum
[nomnom, Ank, Elems] - likely scum

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For some internal reason I wanted to put Fark one bracket below.

This is more like, considering all possibilties readlist, I don't think the last bracket is the exact scum team or something. I just think there's scum among them the most in any kind of alternative universe.

I was referring to this readlist. It's not like I am going to write down everything someone says. I just cope the complete readlist under their name and move on.

HOWEVER, I've just found a more recent readlist in which he moved you way up, so my bad.

[Volpe] - Town
[A50, GiF, Ank??] - Likely town
[Vex, Chennis, Dave, Espresso, DeasVail, Dr EB] - nulltown
[Gamma, Volxen, Fark] - null
[Kuribo, Flavor, MariaR] - nullscum
[nomnom, Elems] - likely scum

Fark is on null now. I'm starting to get into this game again.

[Ankamius]

the posts I quoted are far more recent than either of those

[Flavor Leaf]

Maria, Dave, Kuribo, Pant, DV

Also means there’s likely a scum in this.

[DeasVail]

Also for anyone who cares my vote on Deas is reinforced by the fact that his behavior around volxen feels like scum setting up to take advantage of a town-volxen flip while he also seems very unconcerned by both Anka and Almost/skitter coming in with "hey this is actually just what volxen does as scum"

And I still think nom looks very town from her initial fight with volpe early game and 180'ing her read on him at the beginning of that so if you think Deas has a mitigating factor of 'maybe he's right about nom being scum' plz tell me why I'm wrong

I'll take you to my thought processes during that time:

- When I was going through my reads, I thought Volxen was town
- I did notice A50 mentioning that the posts were similar to what Volxen does as scum. This is what caused me to make the post about reconsidering the Volxen read. But I remained hesitant about this, because I didn't have a scumread on Volxen from his posting, and I was pretty hesitant to trust A50/Skitter's opinion (even if I assumed he was town).
- People seemed overly eager to vote Volxen RIGHT NOW and I thought a replacement would be good insight into the slot. I'm pretty sure I didn't do any defending of Volxen at this point though and specifically told kuribo I didn't have reason to townread Volxen.
- Cephrir and Klick were both backing up my nom scumread and so that felt a more interesting wagon to pursue.

If the above doesn't help then all I can say is that you're wrong about me being scum. And as much as people are justifying yesterday's lynch I actually think how it came about and the fact that it happened was pretty bad and we need to stop justifying bad town play. Gamma, I think you're town and I want to come to a situation where we can townread each other because I honestly feel beaten down by how this game has gone and I feel I need to try a different approach to bring people who I think are town together so that we can actually sort this shit out. Call this AtE, call this me trying to manipulate someone out of a scumread of me, call it whatever, I don't care. But I'm desperate not to let this game continue as it has.

PEdit: Why are people going over Volpe reads lists?

[Ankamius]

FL and Firebringer are ones I'll need explanation on along with why Panthaleon isn't locked town for reasons I explained

FL is one of those headache slots that I'd rather just leave as town and wait on because he's just... idk, reminding me of vengeful
Firebringer mainly because both dann and eddie think that slot's town

they're both reads that are prone to being reassessed later if I feel the need to

[MariaR]

I can understand wanting nom to die for pure information reasons, but I don't think nom has been scummy and I feel like we haven't really visited reasons on why Nom has been scummy in a bit? Like, I just see nom is scum with nothing else onto it. Nom outted that the last man stand power is really good and considering I think gif slot is bad I don't think Nom is.

I'm not going into NKA because NKA is shit.

However I have this sea of mixed slots that I want to know more about to put it lightly?

[Ankamius]

if it helps

I don't think A50 would be this sloppy in how he's playing as scum

[Almost50]

the posts I quoted are far more recent than either of those

Do they include VOTELISTS? Because THOSE are the ones I save to my files. If I took note of every single read someone threw out in a separate post and then changed their mind about it 2 minutes later I might as well hire a fulltime secretary exclusively to manage my MafiaScum library!

[Ankamius]

Not that anybody cares, but did you know that both NK'd players had ANK as a STRING SCUM READ? Like, Farkan had both Ank & chenn as explicit SRs, while Volpe had nomnom & Ank at his likely scum tier which was his lowest rank.

Interestingly, Elements had both nom & chenn as scum (only 2 explicit SRs) but had Ank as Town. But then Elements was not NK'd so..

I know, I know.. they're dead so they have no say and their reads mean shit because we know better (and we being still alive proves it. Right?)

like

this is so easily proven wrong that I don't feel like he'd be so aggressively confident in it unless he was town believing it

[MariaR]

I think my head is just a mess because I've experiencing things in this mafia game that has legit never happened to me before. I think A50 is being wacky, but I don't think it's a bad wacky. I'm thinking long con right now not short con.

[Ankamius]

I think my head is just a mess because I've experiencing things in this mafia game that has legit never happened to me before.

oh believe me, you're not alone in that

[Almost50]

Maria, Dave, Kuribo, Pant, DV

Also means there’s likely a scum in this.

I "think" (but not sure) someone mentioned Maria/Vex (not Pant) in the same hood, so that makes kuribo/dave/DV the last hood. (Unless you made a mistake and one of them is with gooey/DEB or I made a faulty assumption and one is the third of Maria/Pant, or I dreamt the Maria/Pant thing in my sleep and saved it into my file while I was sleepwalking)

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ll keep myself on the lists and not color to not conf bias.


Players on Elements at its peak, I dug a little past the vote count.

A scum or 2 is likely on this.

Elements

(5) Ankamius,

kuribo, EspressoPatronum, GammaGooey,

Volpe14

————

I would say around 2 scum are on this. Possibly 3.

Creature

(9): Almost50, nomnomnom,

Gammagooey

, MariaR,

kuribo, EspressoPatronum

, davesaz, Flavor Leaf, chennisden


______

And then 1 or 2 scum are on this.
Players off of Volxen/Creature at time of lynch.

Panth, Ankamius, DeasVail, Dr Easy Bake, Flavor Leaf, Firebringer

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ll keep myself on the lists and not color to not conf bias.


Players on Elements at its peak, I dug a little past the vote count.

A scum or 2 is likely on this.

Elements

(5) Ankamius,

kuribo, EspressoPatronum, GammaGooey,

Volpe14

————

I would say around 2 scum are on this. Possibly 3.

Creature

(9): Almost50, nomnomnom,

Gammagooey

, MariaR,

kuribo, EspressoPatronum

, davesaz, Flavor Leaf, chennisden


______

And then 1 or 2 scum are on this.
Players off of Volxen/Creature at time of lynch.

Panth, Ankamius, DeasVail, Dr Easy Bake, Flavor Leaf, Firebringer

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ll keep myself on the lists and not color to not conf bias.


Players on Elements at its peak, I dug a little past the vote count.

A scum or 2 is likely on this.

Elements

(5) Ankamius,

kuribo, EspressoPatronum, GammaGooey,

Volpe14

————

I would say around 2 scum are on this. Possibly 3.

Creature

(9): Almost50, nomnomnom,

Gammagooey

, MariaR,

kuribo, EspressoPatronum

, davesaz, Flavor Leaf, chennisden


______

And then 1 or 2 scum are on this.
Players off of Volxen/Creature at time of lynch.

Panth, Ankamius, DeasVail, Dr Easy Bake, Flavor Leaf, Firebringer

[Flavor Leaf]

Idk how that happened. My bad

[MariaR]

Dunn thinks your reasoning for townreading gamma is dumb Ank.
pedit: Me and pant are a hood yes

[Ankamius]

Dunn thinks your reasoning for townreading gamma is dumb Ank.
pedit: Me and pant are a hood yes

talk to dann about it