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[Luca Blight]

And why hadn’t you mentioned the ‘lack of Town vibes’ until now? Again, it seems convenient timing.

[insomnia]

Also, valuable thing to point out :

> he scum read me for commenting on the whole situation and how it was blown out of proportion
> when I defended myself he said he scum read me for how I retracted my vote
> now he says I initially reacted townie to his vote

Bruh

[AaronFrost]

And why hadn’t you mentioned the ‘lack of Town vibes’ until now? Again, it seems convenient timing.

The timing of your vote is pretty convenient too.

You were scumleaning me, then townleaning me, then scumleaning me again. Explain that progession.

[AaronFrost]

Also, valuable thing to point out :

> he scum read me for commenting on the whole situation and how it was blown out of proportion
> when I defended myself he said he scum read me for how I retracted my vote
> now he says I initially reacted townie to his vote

Bruh

What I meant was, you subsequent posts AFTER 56-57 have read as townie to me. I don't think I had ever commented on your reaction to my vote up until then.

[Luca Blight]

I’ve already explained that progression. I gave reasoning for TR’ing you and reasoning for my change of heart.

You’re making out that it’s weird to change your opinion on someone, but you’ve seen me change my opinion on you many times in previous games.

[insomnia]

They way you respond to the vote is what's telling and I think in general you've responded fairly well to it.

[Luca Blight]

And you dodged the question - why didn’t you mention my lack of Town vibes this game until I voted you?

[AaronFrost]

They way you respond to the vote is what's telling and I think in general you've responded fairly well to it.

Yeah that was the first time I had talked about your reactions to my vote.

@Luca:

They weren't super strong vibes until your 'change of heart' which really pinged me so I didn't really feel the need to comment on them.

[Luca Blight]

It’s convenient indeed how they weren't worth commenting on when I was TR’ing you but suddenly are when I start SR’ing you.

You’ve not exactly had other strong SR’s this game, so it seems strange that you wouldn’t even mention that you felt that way about me.

[AaronFrost]

It’s convenient indeed how they weren't worth commenting on when I was TR’ing you but suddenly are when I start SR’ing you.

You’ve not exactly had other strong SR’s this game, so it seems strange that you wouldn’t even mention that you felt that way about me.

I didn't comment on your initial scumread of me.

It's Day 1, I don't have a ton of strong reads in general. Most of my Day 1 reads tend to be horribly wrong anyways as you saw in pyp.

[AaronFrost]

So what are you scum reading me for again?

Mostly for post 56 which felt a little exaggerated and forced to me. Followed by your immediate retraction about two minutes later. To me it read like 'oh shit I said something that might be perceived as scummy better retract it real quick.'

It's not a strong read tbh but it's a start.

I like this thought-process, I think Frost is Town.

Also this was the only reason you gave for why you were townleaning me which isn't really a strong reason. Agreeing with someone's logic doesn't necessarily mean that person is town.

[Luca Blight]

This was your only interaction with me until I voted you:

I disagree with Alch that 57 bleeds Town - I could easily see self-correction coming from scum who worry about leaving themselves open to attack.

That reminds me though that while I agree with Frost's 75, I got a scum ping because he basically just repeated what Insomnia said in his 'correction' post.

Hey Luca

Not gonna lie, I hadn't even seen insomnia's correction until after I posted that but that was my thought when I first read it and I want to see how he responds.

I kind of agree with you on profii. Last game I played with him he felt pretty obviously town. Granted I was scum in that game so I didn't exactly have to read him too much but I could never push him either. Not quite getting the same vibes from him here as he's been mostly under the radar.

It feels that you are aligning with my thoughts here, so it makes your current claim that I’ve not had Town vibes all the more surprising.

[Luca Blight]

So what are you scum reading me for again?

Mostly for post 56 which felt a little exaggerated and forced to me. Followed by your immediate retraction about two minutes later. To me it read like 'oh shit I said something that might be perceived as scummy better retract it real quick.'

It's not a strong read tbh but it's a start.

I like this thought-process, I think Frost is Town.

Also this was the only reason you gave for why you were townleaning me which isn't really a strong reason. Agreeing with someone's logic doesn't necessarily mean that person is town.

I wasn’t agreeing with the logic. I liked the thought-process, which is different.

If my reason for TR’ing you wasn’t that strong then why are you so surprised that I should change my mind on you?

[AaronFrost]

I'm not saying you can't change your mind, but I think your progression on me is strange.

Catching up now.

Slight SR's on Profii and Mr Frost, as of the start of page 4.

Starting off with a scumread on me which you don't really elaborate on.

I'm usually quite back and forth in my sorting of Frost but I think he's Town atm.

Followed by a townlean which you do elaborate on but with weak logic. These two in itself are fine (again, it's Day 1, lack of strong reads blah blah blah). This is the part I don't like.

I’m having a change of heart on Frost, based on his reaction to Insomnia’s pressure which comes across as appeasement. I also agree that his Insomnia SR seemed a bit faked in that he doesn’t really do anything with it and just coasts on it for a while until he is pressured into jumping off. And thirdly I agree that it looks as though he had been positioning himself to vote Profii for some time before he did so.

VOTE: Frost

Using insomnia's logic to sheep his read on me. The timing of this feels super convenient. If you had notice my supposed positioning to vote profii earlier then why didn't you comment on it? I already explained like three times why I didn't vote profii.

I disagree with Alch that 57 bleeds Town - I could easily see self-correction coming from scum who worry about leaving themselves open to attack.

That reminds me though that while I agree with Frost's 75, I got a scum ping because he basically just repeated what Insomnia said in his 'correction' post.

Here you were agreeing with me about insomnia's 57 but now you've turned it around by saying that my SR of insomnia is disingenuous.

You're doing a lot of the things that you and insomnia are accusing me of yourself.

VOTE: Luca

[Egix96]

Egix:
- disagreeing with reasons to scumread someone should be a null read.
- unless you're scumreading the players on profii?

(Bulletting added by me)
- I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.
- If I had to call one of the profii voters scum, I would probably say you, but I really don't feel strongly about that.

[Egix96]

Other parts of the case brought against the Chimera are not valid! However!

One-eye's reduction of the events that have transpired is suspicious!

Doom!

VOTE: Chara

I'm confused, where has Chara done that?

[Egix96]

One thing I find interesting about this wagon is that no one has really jumped to profii's defense. Most people seem to have him as a scumread and/or are voting him right now. Is anybody townreading him right now? If so why?

I am, and it's for something similar to what you've pointed out here - I think that he's been under too much suspicion for too little reasoning (or, to put it another way, I see people voting him but I don't find the reasoning to be all that compelling). I would be very surprised if he flipped red.

Are you townreading him regardless of the fact that his push has had no resistance? Like what are your thoughts on his posting right now?

Generally slight town vibes, nothing concrete I could point to tho.

[Chara]

I actually changed my mind on Egix and think he's town. It's hard for me to fathom that he'd actively defend villager profii here against my and chara's votes knowing that at some point in the game, he'd have to explain that defence, especially because it's his first form of contribution and it stands out.

what i meant by my townread.

Ame: i know i need to pay more attention to Frost, but i TR insomnia so i'm giving it some weight.
as for Looker, just an assumption that might be wrong, that's on me.

[Egix96]

You might need to elaborate bc I'm not sure what you're getting at here

The problem is that I probably said too much.

[Egix96]

Lowkey tending to town read Eevee as well. Lurkers are usually under the mindset that they will lie somewhere in the PoE and will be a suspect regardless, so what I'm looking for here is some form of posting that speaks from the mindset of "Look, I might not be here a lot, but when I am I really do stuff", some form of self-awareness.

Eevee seems to be more like a town lurker, mainly because she (/he ?) doesn't care about what she posts when she comes in the thread. It's like, I see a post, I react to it, I pop out, shrug. There's not really an agenda of trying to look like she's doing too much work in order to get town read.

Hope that makes sense.

It does, yes.

[Egix96]

as for Looker, just an assumption that might be wrong, that's on me

Tbf, when I played a game with Looker before (Big Four) their pronoun changed a couple times iirc.

[Alchemist21]

In 169 you stated that you were caught up but skimmed and would begin isoing. Later in 175 you confirmed a town read on Aaron. (1) Presumably, you went through his iso at this point, yes?

Over two new pages were produced by the time of your next post, 234. Again, 175 indicates that you were caught up with the thread up to 175, or at least with Aaron up to that point. (2) What prodded you in 234/235 to go back and review pre-175? I presume you had not yet caught up with the 2 new pages because in 237 you stated that you were unaware of Alchemist's post on the previous page. (3) Is this presumption correct?

It's just curious to me that you read back through something you had already read back through and formed a solid opinion on, while there was new content available that you had not yet caught up on.

I skim through the thread and then read back in more detail later - that is my usual habit.

For example, the recent stuff about Frost above I haven’t yet given my attention to - I’ll read back though it when I have the time and energy to do so.

I’m having a change of heart on Frost, based on his reaction to Insomnia’s pressure which comes across as appeasement. I also agree that his Insomnia SR seemed a bit faked in that he doesn’t really do anything with it and just coasts on it for a while until he is pressured into jumping off. And thirdly I agree that it looks as though he had been positioning himself to vote Profii for some time before he did so.

VOTE: Frost

@Macabre / AaronFrost / profii / Alchemist21

:

• Do you find this interaction suspicious?
  
• Do you feel that either of these players is town?

UNVOTE:

I’ve been Townreading Ame. I don’t really know what to make of Luca.

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