Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[skitter30]

I picked a random page on D1, read it and it is useless. So let's just go with this
Is there anythung I should read ON DAY 1 or should I just start with D2? I have some opinions from my team but it's better if I form my own thoughts before reading those so expect me to still be useless until say tuesday

Pedit
fA? Nope
I do remember you and Wisdom kicking the shit out of threads

just start with day2

and all of ur posting today has been quite awful, no offense

[skitter30]

He called me scum for only having 2 scum in the bottom category of my readslist when there's 3 scum in normals.
He called Skitter scum for "knowing there's going to be a mislynch" in a situation where it really didn't make any sense as an accusation

So on, so forth, etc. I'm not like super engaged with this conversation tbh

Now baby you know I love you but this is post #4253, that is not nearly the depth of case I was expecting.

I'll read D1 until the explosion and continue to D2, make some readlist and then consult with teammates

You will wait

literally none of his pushes today were good
he's deathtunneled on ari (who i think is probably town)
and when i pointed that out, he started to push me, and yes, as far as i can tell the impetus is that he thinks i implied that i know that there's going to be a mislynch today (which is at best a gross misinterpretation of my words, and at worst is straight-up misrepping me)

and then from there he whipped up a wagon on me because 'my interactions with rc are weird and i might be a deepwolf' apparently

[RCEnigma]

I don't want to go back and find it but while I was reading along you questioned me about scumreading Ari and RC. I asked Math why he wouldn't consider Ari/RC as SvS and it turned into being pushed for calling it SvS.

I consider both scummy independently. Ari might have been more groupthink bias + disliking his EOD posting in regards to TW. It all felt extremely TMI.

At the same time I don't think RC diverting the wagon from Ari EOD makes a partnership extremely unlikely. Because if it's not SvS I have to dive into one of two world's.

1.) RC as town gave up his Ari scumread at a critical moment (L-1) to pursue TW.
Or
B.) Scum RC let town Ari get away when math would have taken the blame for a town flip and instead put himself in the do or die with TW to save town at the risk of himself.

[RCEnigma]

@skitter.

[RadiantCowbells]

What if we're both town

[skitter30]

Math/Skitter/Ari is the only scumteam that leaps out at me.

He flipped his shit when I started voting Skitter over Ari. Reasons right or wrong, this provoking such a response is odd.

I am kinda halfway curious to see what a Skitter wagon would do.

you realize that this post is from literally 4000+ posts ago and that the gamestate now is ridiculously different than in post 312
it's a little bit disingenuous to bring up this post as a reason to find rc's reaction now strange

also he townreads more than he townreads ari so ...

[skitter30]

Why were you voting ari, he stopped me from going tunnel vision @ RC and I townread him for that

Because my teammates pointed out a weakness of mine which is buddying and most of his posts were devoid of content but really nice. Since then he has not made a push anywhere.

I am kinda thinking RC/Skitter/Ari and if not Ari Bella. But I am thinking RC Skitter def a thing.

ScumRC could have redirected the Ari lynch to save a buddy or try to save cred and make Ari pushers look bad but only got more vocal when Bella was coming up? I don’t wanna go slog through the posts to see if my memory is right though. Too much spam.

a) you're conflating buddying with being nice. you're scumreading a personality trait
b) explain why exactly you think me/rc
c) and again me/rc/ari makes rc flip out when you switch from ari to me because ...

[skitter30]

His reasons d1 for townreading Skitter are that she can’t fake that level of emotion but she has a “Best scum” award.

I am kinda wondering if Skitter v RC was to defuse the RC wagon at the start of the day.

Pedit: I had a lighter push of Ari. Who did you push? You voted me sure, but I am curious to how you define push.

tfw when people think you have a good scumgame

math do u even know what my scumgame looks like ?
or more importantly i guess, do you think you know what it looks like better than rc does ?

[skitter30]

Either that or Skitter was supposed to bus RC for cred. TW was their victim to set this up as RC wasn’t supposed to go down until D2. The third then could be literally anyone.

Ugh trying to sort RC is a pita.

ok then i don't start the day hardpushing rc because ...

[skitter30]

VOTE: skitter

Really tempted to just go after RC who is now trying to openwolf imo by going after the townblock as you say

do tell

[skitter30]

VOTE: skitter

Really tempted to just go after RC who is now trying to openwolf imo by going after the townblock as you say

hi
why are you scumreading me

VOTE: skitter50
time to dance!

hi
do you scumread me or is for the memez cuz u find it funny seeing me get wagoned

ok

never saw skitter have more than 3 votes on her ever in my life tbh

here you go my dude
thats 4
VOTE: skitter

hi
why do you think me/rc are svs?
how are you reading math?
like any thoughts on the gamestate would be nice

do you any like any thoughts on the broader gamestate ?

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does anyone else find this wagon creepy af or that just me ? ^^^

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VOTE: Math

Iunno what happened in that last one lmao

You must mean your scum team.

I know Nancy is not an early bird, she’s probably asleep. Creature would check out after post 12 whatever his alignment as he’s not playing. Auro I haven’t met but your entire team agreeing seems to be a bit of a stretch considering I have been scum with both Nancy and Creature before.

And yes I made a point not to indulge RC’s childish wagon. I still won’t as it’s still just spam.

math this is a rather low blow and your pushes in the past like 24 hours have been generally quite awful
like you're basically accusing ari of lying about talking to his teammates based on 'nancy's an early bird she's probably asleep'; 'creature would check out after post 12 whatever his alignment'; 'auro i haven't met'

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What even is this Skitter wagon!?!?

I've gotta look into it at some point

Yes you should, especially if you truly do scumread me. I doubt it but I mean if you do you should try to figure out why.

I mean that this kinda popped up out of the blue and I want to look into why and how so I can glean intentions and alignments.

Why and how are you using that to be snide about my read on you?
Honestly.

Because quite simply put RC thinks very little of me as either alignment. The mention of the no kill argument while pushing me claiming to be a gambiter was very much spoonfed from someone who only has limited experience with my scummeta.

My biggest rule for scum is if town is being stupid let them continue to be stupid and encourage it. Gambits are only if I and/or my team am not in a secure position. With the gamestate it was the end of D1, none of that applied. This means that skitter who has only seen Extra Communication in which I replaced a heavily scumread slot, and Nancy with whom I replaced into a slot that Titus bombed would naturally think I lean towards gambits. My scum game is much more control and that misrep would only come from players feeding RC information. RC quite frankly thinks I suck at mafia and probably less than a bug. So mainly the more he pushes and flails the more he gives out. It’s quite funny actually.

i'm sorry, is your argument here acutally:

- someone else spoonfed rc the argument that scum!you may have no killed
- and that person might be me based off of a game that take place two years ago (you seem to think that i know your feelings about gambitting from that game because ...; that game means that i might think that this is something you would do because )
- or ari via nancy because you repped into a slot that titus messed up ?
- and rc doesn't come to this conclusion by himself because ...
- like if he thinks you suck at mafia he's less likely to think of scum!you no killing than i am to think that of scum!you

is that what you're trying to argue ???

and that's part of the reason me/rc/(maybe ari) are aligned ???

[skitter30]

Nah. Your plan is you dead by EoD.

math if you think yesterday was theatre between me and rc designed for me to bus him today why do i not start out the day hard-pushing him

does any of your reasons for scumreading me actually make sense with my actions here ... ?

like can you articualte why i'm scum in a way that actually makes sense or like

[Saudade]

damn she's not even angry
VOTE: unvote

[skitter30]

VOTE

This post is ugly af.

Surely Skitter can figure out if Ari is town or scum by doing her own investigation.

Instead she takes RC at his word that she is incapable of scumhunting wtf?

this is an awful misrep of my position at that point in the game, ty

[RCEnigma]

What if we're both town

I already said it would be math. There is 1 scum minimum in math/Ari/RC.

[skitter30]

because in spite of her general scum competency she can't function in real time as scum and i forced her into real time engagement with me several times and she wasn't her bland emotionless rote scum self in real time

^^^ i'm like hilariously out of my scumrange here

[skitter30]

because in spite of her general scum competency she can't function in real time as scum and i forced her into real time engagement with me several times and she wasn't her bland emotionless rote scum self in real time

Wrong: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=29653

She can do it it’s just exhausting. Look at the final few posts post game. She won an award for it.

math do you actually think my game here looks anything like my game there ... ?
because i find it hard to believe that you can actually argue that in good faith

[skitter30]

i was kinda running out of motivation tho and just wanted the day to be over so i could have a break and like ... not have to post for a while so i just decided to hammer you because then you wouldn't be there to call me out on my illogic, but nothing i said there made much sense at all. like it sounded good but didn't actually mean anything or explain why i was voting you. i did wonder if anybody was going to notice that i didn't scumread you at any point till like the day before i voted you

^^ Direct quote from Skitter.

She can do it she just gets exhausted and her reads make less sense.

and that quote describes me here because ... ?
(this is also like a cherry-picked quote that described a very different gamestate but whatever)

[Saudade]

Lets pick a lynch thats not in Math/RC/Skitter

[Saudade]

I dont want Ari either...

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm again dibsing you when you're done catching up skitter

[skitter30]

NSG right now believes we should be lynching Duckling not Aristophanes but I'm trying to sell her on the associative read.

@rc you said that n sg wanted to lynch tw
and then last night you said that she didn't

so can you clarify what happened here please ?

[RadiantCowbells]

At the timing of 1919 she believed that Aristophanes was leantown, Duckling was scummy but she really didn't know and a vastly preferable lynch

[RadiantCowbells]

Whenever you get to me saying that NSG was explicitly refusing to give a read on Math is what I am referring to
At EoD she agreed Duck had to go for momentum / what the hell reasons

[skitter30]

skipping all the math/rc posturing