Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[RadiantCowbells]

It was also less rara Math is definitely scum and more
she was explicitly not townreading the slot

I haven't been able to catch up with her since then.

[skitter30]

it would be easier if you could just link that post maybe because your iso is literally like 1600 pages long and i don't remember where that happened

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't either?

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm no longer certain that I actually posted it because I think at the time I thought it would just cause strife and probably get me lynched.

[skitter30]

ok i'll try to look

basically i remembe ryou saying repeatedly that nsg thinks tw is scum and that she wants him dead
so when you say today 'oh yeah i made that up' it makes me a little wary that you're making up stuff/reads that didn't happen to suit your agenda

[RadiantCowbells]

ok me and NSG went over this game for the last two hours and the end result is

her absolute most favoritest person: RC
her locktownreads: skitter, teacher
her light townreads: plum, bella
her very very light townread: aristophanes
her nullreads: RCE, xtoxm
her scumreads cat 1: duckling, iconeum
her major scumreads: tris, flopz

you'll notice this is fairly similar to my reads which is a sign that we're on the right track as a team I think?

like there's a reason we excluded math from this readslist but I don't know if I ever directly referenced it

[skitter30]

I had a negative result and don't think there is any gain from sharing it.
Think that there's a reasonably high probability that scum simply elected not to kill to make sure I couldn't get a guilty before I was lynched today.
(and before someone says that would add credence to my claim, no not really because someone who scumreads me is going to point that out and say it's scum me trying to spew town)

Can someone summarize which claims have been out already?

shos why do u keep asking about these sorts of things wrt mechanics and claims

[RadiantCowbells]

ok i'll try to look

basically i remembe ryou saying repeatedly that nsg thinks tw is scum and that she wants him dead
so when you say today 'oh yeah i made that up' it makes me a little wary that you're making up stuff/reads that didn't happen to suit your agenda

this is not untrue. she did think he was scum. she was never as certain as scum that I was

she absolutely was the prompt in me unvoting ari and voting tw, i said so at the time
she was also the prompt in me unvoting both of them entirely and wagoning tris/plum
when I of my own accord re-voted TW because he kept using my non-him votes against me she agreed that he had to die.

[RadiantCowbells]

and uhh I recall directly paraphrasing her thoughts on TW at some point.

[skitter30]

It’s RC’s actions that prompted me to think RC+Skitter. Namely RC got toxic anytime Skitter scum was mentioned. So by having Skitter post and if she seems townie then it’s a matter of finding what scum!RC would gain or what town!RC gains by doing so.

i also think that this is an egregious misrep but ok

[RadiantCowbells]

she found mathblade's posts difficult to read so she didn't bother giving a read there

aha

[skitter30]

Why do you townread Skitter RCE? I can’t find your answer?

None of Skitters play is outside of her scumrange this game. Even the spat with RC day 1 is in her scumrange but the fact it happened is town indicative. Her frustration with the gamestate was townie and even though it's how I was feeling at the time I think she was the first to express it. It would have been easier to lay low there.

In general it's easy to gauge her alignment from just genuine interest/disinterest and shes been invested in this game beyond surface level. Her analysis is able to be replicated as scum but it doesn't lead anywhere and it doesn't hold any drive behind it. Meaning you can easily pick it apart and force scum!Skitter to backtrack. None of that lines up here.

I disagree. Anyone with a best scum award is a hard read as scum. The scum game she won she was very good. Genuine doesn’t always mean town.

And I cited where it did.

You even mentioned after TW voted Skitter RC reflexively put TW as scum. This isn’t hard to see.

I want to be able to read Skitter for myself. And if I see it I will back off.

math again you don't even know what my scumgame looks like so no offense but why does your meta read hold more weight than the multiple people who have, in fact, played with scum me and/or are intimately aware of what my scumgame looks like

[skitter30]

@rc i think i'm conflating two different nsg mentions

and that i was thinking about late day1
and you were referencing early/mid day1

[RadiantCowbells]

i also made that error btw so very forgivable, I thought I remembered that entire discussion happening significantly later than it did.

[skitter30]

ok i'm caught up

@math i am heavily inclined to vote you rn, because as far as i can tell, pretty much your entire scumread on me is:

- vagaries and generalities that you're not substantiating (she's just doing scummy things !)
- fears that i may be deepwolfing and citing my scum meta as a reason to scum read, while neglecting the fact that: a) this game looks literally nothing like the game you're citing b) there are multiple other people in this game who actually know how to read me
- 'weird rc stuff' that seems to be more on rc's side than on my side, and p much everything you're accusing me of doesn't actually make sense wrt the actions i have actually taken this game; like the reasoning you're attributing to my play doesn't actually make sense when you think about it for more than like three seconds
- there have also been several misreps of my play today
- as far as i can tell this whole thing started beacuse you put words in my mouth and accused me of being scum because i apparently knew that there would be a mislynch today because i indicated that massclaim might be a possibility tomorrow (which, again, doesn't make much sense ... )

i need you to articulate, in your own words, exactly why i'm scum here
and throw in why i'm scum with rc too for good measure

but so far what you're pushing me on doesn't actually make sense and is woefully inaccurate

also i am *incredibly* suspicious of how fast that wagon built
i think that there's more than one scum on that wagon

[RadiantCowbells]

....RC gets into a 1v1 yesterday to stop Ari getting lynched and we lynch town to make everyone shut up.

RC starts a -new- 1 v 1 with probtown marhblade and...expects profit?

In less than 50 words, like, can RC explain how what he is doing is helpful?

It's more than likely there is at least one scum in th quiet/replaced slots. Why focus on shitting up the thread again?

RC also can't seem to remember where I am around their null line from post to post.

I'm not even voting Mathblade.
I can't remember because my reads are in heavy flux right now because believe it or not this kind of gamestate that you consider shit up is where I actually learn things.
I have no intentions of 1v1ing Mathblade today.

[skitter30]

Lets pick a lynch thats not in Math/RC/Skitter

how are you actually reading me and who do you want to lynch rn ?

[RadiantCowbells]

Also if this helps your read on me at all Bella I didn't see that reading the thread, I saw that because I was isoing you for like the second dozenth time trying to see if I could clear you or not and was like owo whats this

[Saudade]

Lets pick a lynch thats not in Math/RC/Skitter

how are you actually reading me and who do you want to lynch rn ?

you are in my townbin now
and idk i guess there's no rush either

[Saudade]

who do you think is scum skitty

[skitter30]

shos (plum)
maybe now math
your slot (was kinda townreading u last night but i'm not feeling it anymore)

and then there's a bunch of people that are like ~null/nullscum, at least in part because they haven't been posting much (flopz xtoxm bella possibly someone else i'm forgetting)

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm really reconsidering ico.

[Saudade]

shos (plum)
maybe now math
your slot (was kinda townreading u last night but i'm not feeling it anymore)

and then there's a bunch of people that are like ~null/nullscum, at least in part because they haven't been posting much (flopz xtoxm bella possibly someone else i'm forgetting)

why im playing in the exact same way??

[skitter30]

math and ico have an interesting dynamic

idk not sure they both as scum decide that i'm randomly today's lynch and hop on a wagon 1-2 tho ?

[skitter30]

you're not being solve-y enough rn