Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

shos · Post Post #4825 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:22 pm

In post 4594, skitter30 wrote:also again, to clarify, i find the notion that scum purposefully did not nk last night to be ridiculous

I know I'm out of context but this really does not seem ridiculous. After such a messy D1, in a normal game where scum were probably not in focus (as others have took the spotlight heavily) no-kill is quite a legit choice

Aristophanes · Post Post #4826 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:36 pm

But why??

We already had a detective claimed. Unless they thought themselves a likely invest target I see no reason not to kill, or at least attempt it!

What does being a Normal have to do with it btw? Does that change things somehow? I'm mostly in Themed games traditionally so I'm legit asking.

shos · Post Post #4827 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:44 pm

In post 4826, Aristophanes wrote:But why??

We already had a detective claimed. Unless they thought themselves a likely invest target I see no reason not to kill, or at least attempt it!

What does being a Normal have to do with it btw? Does that change things somehow? I'm mostly in Themed games traditionally so I'm legit asking.

au contraire. a detective can spot kills even on following nights, and as such, minimizing the amount of killers is good for scum. It also makes it less tight as in, let the storm pass, and do shit when they are less likely to be spotted. It does them no harm - if there's a detective then it's more likely that town have less other PRs that can fuck them up when they nokill, while they, OTOH, may have PRs that get more info for free.

shos · Post Post #4828 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:45 pm

(The normality balances the amount of PRs town have in addition to detective)

shos · Post Post #4829 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:47 pm

--anyway--

I've come to notice the xtomx has literally been playing the game since the beginning and has done jack shit, and when he did, it felt bad. This also fits with what my team thought, although I've come to this realization before reading what they wrote.
I don't necessarily agree with everything they say and obviously cannot defend the arguments without forcing them into this game which is not nice so I'm gonna keep those thoughts in the team PT for the while. Should anyone give intent to hammer me I'll post those before I die.

....which brings us to - I've noticed that I've been put in L-1 somewhere? I shall see that

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #4830 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:49 pm

can you paraphrase all the reads your team has given you? also can you explain how you didn't make this game at all a priority until you were at L-2

MathBlade · Post Post #4831 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:53 pm

Still VLA on work break.

RC Ari Shos is current theory.

RC is being weird and pinging me with interactions with Shos. He’s being too nice where as all his other scumreads he’s yelling.

Ari is just still pinging next and my team.

Saude yes RC was mean. That doesn’t be mean back. I wish he was a nice player (in terms of tone he’s nice outside of mafia) that’s not how he plays which makes the interaction with Shos weird. Rise above.

MathBlade · Post Post #4832 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:55 pm

In post 4827, shos wrote:
In post 4826, Aristophanes wrote:But why??

We already had a detective claimed. Unless they thought themselves a likely invest target I see no reason not to kill, or at least attempt it!

What does being a Normal have to do with it btw? Does that change things somehow? I'm mostly in Themed games traditionally so I'm legit asking.
au contraire. a detective can spot kills even on following nights, and as such, minimizing the amount of killers is good for scum. It also makes it less tight as in, let the storm pass, and do shit when they are less likely to be spotted. It does them no harm - if there's a detective then it's more likely that town have less other PRs that can fuck them up when they nokill, while they, OTOH, may have PRs that get more info for free.

You’re not this bad.

You do better NK analysis in the game where I was SK and almost won except for a bad kill choice.

shos · Post Post #4833 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:57 pm

In post 4830, RadiantCowbells wrote:can you paraphrase all the reads your team has given you? also can you explain how you didn't make this game at all a priority until you were at L-2

I can and I literaly just said that I won't

If I get under intent to hammer I will

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #4834 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:57 pm

In post 4833, shos wrote:
In post 4830, RadiantCowbells wrote:can you paraphrase all the reads your team has given you? also can you explain how you didn't make this game at all a priority until you were at L-2
I can and I literaly just said that I won't If I get under intent to hammer I will

How does this make sense at all? Why would you not give us your teams reads if you're not caught up and you're being asked for them?

MathBlade · Post Post #4835 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:58 pm

In post 4834, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 4833, shos wrote:
In post 4830, RadiantCowbells wrote:can you paraphrase all the reads your team has given you? also can you explain how you didn't make this game at all a priority until you were at L-2
I can and I literaly just said that I won't If I get under intent to hammer I will
How does this make sense at all? Why would you not give us your teams reads if you're not caught up and you're being asked for them?

It’s good for the spew if he’s scum and good for us if he’s town.

We don’t have to go a mile a minute.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #4836 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:59 pm

In post 4831, MathBlade wrote:RC is being weird and pinging me with interactions with Shos. He’s being too nice where as all his other scumreads he’s yelling.

I am incredibly worn down by this point in the game and my ability to RadiantCowbells effectively is shot. See: TW's "I am a friendly duckie by nature but exhausted".

shos · Post Post #4837 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:00 pm

In post 4832, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4827, shos wrote:
In post 4826, Aristophanes wrote:But why??

We already had a detective claimed. Unless they thought themselves a likely invest target I see no reason not to kill, or at least attempt it!

What does being a Normal have to do with it btw? Does that change things somehow? I'm mostly in Themed games traditionally so I'm legit asking.
au contraire. a detective can spot kills even on following nights, and as such, minimizing the amount of killers is good for scum. It also makes it less tight as in, let the storm pass, and do shit when they are less likely to be spotted. It does them no harm - if there's a detective then it's more likely that town have less other PRs that can fuck them up when they nokill, while they, OTOH, may have PRs that get more info for free.
You’re not this bad.

You do better NK analysis in the game where I was SK and almost won except for a bad kill choice.

uh..thanks?
Also I don't remember shit before my hiatus so you'll have to link me if that's relevant

MathBlade · Post Post #4838 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:02 pm

Why are you so intent to hammer someone who is actually playing now?

Your argument was that they were lurking anyway.

They aren’t right now.

Admittedly the no kill post was horrible which likely links you two together.

Pedit can’t link I am at work.

I was a replace in and shot PV instead of who I was supposed to or the other way around.

It was back when the horsey avatar player who everyone liked was playing.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #4839 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:02 pm

Nvm I didn't even read your post. That's the kind of physical state I'm in at this point.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #4840 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:03 pm

Second question still applies: why did you wait until you got brought to L-2/L-1 to start caring about this game? Don't you take TM a little more seriously than that if you're town?

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #4841 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:03 pm

Like it's hard not to see that as a deliberate lurking strategy.

MathBlade · Post Post #4842 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:07 pm

In post 4840, RadiantCowbells wrote:Second question still applies: why did you wait until you got brought to L-2/L-1 to start caring about this game? Don't you take TM a little more seriously than that if you're town?

There is a famous quote
It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it.

Remaining silent while understanding the gamestate and catching up is valid especially with a game of this size

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #4843 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:10 pm

They seem more engaged elsewhere on the site than here.

shos · Post Post #4844 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:11 pm

VOTE: Iconeum

Serious vote first time

I was looking at how comes I got to L-1 without even knowing what the playerlist was and barely posting anything and I saw that Iconeum made a somewhat weakish case on Flopz right

before

he voted me 'to help pressure'.
1. When you vote for pressure, you don't say it is for pressure, otherwise it sorta loses its point.
2. You literally made a case on someone else just a second before. That clearly shows that the vote is heartless;
these lead me to think that this was an opportunity for him to join a wagon. Which leads to the question - is the case he wrote a real case? And the answer seems to be in the ISO - kinda looks like he wanted to appear as doing something so he picked the smallest-amount-of-posts ISO and created an almost-post-by-post to manufacture a case.

teacher · Post Post #4845 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:16 pm

Yea I’m fine bringing this back to L-1 to get the team reads shared now, without benefit of color.

VOTE: shos

shos · Post Post #4846 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:17 pm

In post 4838, MathBlade wrote:Why are you so intent to hammer someone who is actually playing now?

Your argument was that they were lurking anyway.

They aren’t right now.

Admittedly the no kill post was horrible which likely links you two together.

Pedit can’t link I am at work.

I was a replace in and shot PV instead of who I was supposed to or the other way around.

It was back when the horsey avatar player who everyone liked was playing.

are the first setences directed at me..?
@pedit - still no idea what you're talking about. no reason not to wait for you tho

In post 4840, RadiantCowbells wrote:Second question still applies: why did you wait until you got brought to L-2/L-1 to start caring about this game? Don't you take TM a little more seriously than that if you're town?

In post 4841, RadiantCowbells wrote:Like it's hard not to see that as a deliberate lurking strategy.

assuming this is to me because I've been lurking (?)
...this is hilarious to me - do you know me as a scum lurker?

How bout the gazillion pages in the game as a reason for taking my time? XD I replaced into TM and still have no idea what's going on, but if you insist..

Spoiler: unrelated to game

So I've just not had the time. Now, too, it's 2:20 AM here (israel) so really you can't complain about me lurking, lol

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #4847 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:19 pm

i'm literally only bringing it up in the context of your general site activity. you posted here once that did nothing and then posted a bunch elsewhere. this repeated multiple times.

MathBlade · Post Post #4848 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:21 pm

In post 4846, shos wrote:
In post 4838, MathBlade wrote:Why are you so intent to hammer someone who is actually playing now?

Your argument was that they were lurking anyway.

They aren’t right now.

Admittedly the no kill post was horrible which likely links you two together.

Pedit can’t link I am at work.

I was a replace in and shot PV instead of who I was supposed to or the other way around.

It was back when the horsey avatar player who everyone liked was playing.
are the first setences directed at me..?
@pedit - still no idea what you're talking about. no reason not to wait for you tho

In post 4840, RadiantCowbells wrote:Second question still applies: why did you wait until you got brought to L-2/L-1 to start caring about this game? Don't you take TM a little more seriously than that if you're town?

In post 4841, RadiantCowbells wrote:Like it's hard not to see that as a deliberate lurking strategy.
assuming this is to me because I've been lurking (?)
...this is hilarious to me - do you know me as a scum lurker? How bout the gazillion pages in the game as a reason for taking my time? XD I replaced into TM and still have no idea what's going on, but if you insist..
Spoiler: unrelated to game
sundays are long for me - wake up after a weekend, go to work 7AM, straight from work to my pops (he is disabled and this is the day off of his christian supporter so I get him out of bed etc etc) and then straight to kung fu practice, where I'm senior so I'm like a semi-coach. Yesterday we had some serious fighting and only got out of there in like 11:20 PM, so you get home by midnight, shower and eat, and then get small glimpses of mafiascum and some risk-games I'm playing, go to bed and monday 7AM again....
So I've just not had the time. Now, too, it's 2:20 AM here (israel) so really you can't complain about me lurking, lol

No they are at RC for pushing you while you’re posting and not giving you a chance to say stuffs.

Pretty sure it’s RC+shos maybe Ari maybe not that’s more bbmollas read.

shos · Post Post #4849 (ISO) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:21 pm

In post 4845, teacher wrote:Yea I’m fine bringing this back to L-1 to get the team reads shared now, without benefit of color.

VOTE: shos

Sorry mate, hito has posted there loads and we're not able to copy-pasta. I'll do this tomorrow if someone claims intent to hammer. Good night for the while.

pedit:
when I agreed to replace in, I had no idea I was joining a game that is 4 times the length of both my current games combined. It is supremely easy to post there on phone at work, here it is literally impossible.