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Post Post #3850 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:25 am

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kuribo (2): Firebringer, DeasVail
EspressoPatronum (3): Ankamius, MariaR, DEB
nomnomnom (1): panthaleon
Dr Easy Bake (4): Gammagooey, Almost50, chennisden, Flavor Leaf
DeasVail (2): nomnomnom, daveaz

Not Voting (2): kuribo, Espresso Patronum

With 14 alive it's 8 to lynch. Deadline is 2/1 at 9PM EST.
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Post Post #3851 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:54 am

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Sure whatever I'll claim. Maybe it'll spur some discussion.

My Neighborhood has the ability to role block the group ability of another Neighborhood. We vote on a player, and then that player's Neighborhood is blocked. We picked Davesaz both nights, though tbh I'm not really sure the deeper motivations because I replace in more or less as night ended.

At this time I will not be revealing who the other members of my Neighborhood are, since I think our ability is good if Neighborhoods start whittling away and town-oriented group PRs flip over to scum. I don't want them to be potential targets.
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Post Post #3852 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:01 am

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In post 3851, panthaleon wrote:Sure whatever I'll claim. Maybe it'll spur some discussion.

My Neighborhood has the ability to role block the group ability of another Neighborhood. We vote on a player, and then that player's Neighborhood is blocked. We picked Davesaz both nights, though tbh I'm not really sure the deeper motivations because I replace in more or less as night ended.

At this time I will not be revealing who the other members of my Neighborhood are, since I think our ability is good if Neighborhoods start whittling away and town-oriented group PRs flip over to scum. I don't want them to be potential targets.
Interesting. Why dave's hood on both nights?
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Post Post #3853 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:26 am

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In post 3851, panthaleon wrote:At this time I will not be revealing who the other members of my Neighborhood are,
Does it matter?? because maria already outed she was your neighbor, and the other one is already dead (Farkan or Creature). *Shrug*

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Post Post #3854 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:31 am

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Anyway, there you go, dave.

@Panth: Could you please answer why dave? Who in your hood suggested dave first? Where there any other candidates on the table to choose from?

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Post Post #3855 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:41 am

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In post 3853, Almost50 wrote:
In post 3851, panthaleon wrote:At this time I will not be revealing who the other members of my Neighborhood are,
Does it matter?? because maria already outed she was your neighbor, and the other one is already dead (Farkan or Creature). *Shrug*

Where do you get that from
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Post Post #3856 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:41 am

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I still need to catch up on latest posts, but what’s the rationale for role-blocking the ability of a hood. It seems very anti-town?
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Post Post #3857 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:43 am

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In post 3856, DeasVail wrote:I still need to catch up on latest posts, but what’s the rationale for role-blocking the ability of a hood. It seems very anti-town?

More anti-town than making someone voteless?


It's a hard counter for towns to stop scum from steamrolling them with group abilities
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Post Post #3858 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:45 am

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In post 3819, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 3818, DeasVail wrote:Nonetheless, I am fairly confident in these people being town:

davesaz
chennisden
panthaleon (he didn't respond to my greeting though :'( )
Gammagooey
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Ankamius and MariaR are almost there for me I think.

That leaves DEB, FL, kuribo, Espresso, Firebringer, nom

I don't want to lynch FL today.

But apart from that I don't have super strong feelings personally.
Those reads are a bunch of horseshit and completely contradict what you said previously.

You're playing according to where others want to lynch and trying to get by.
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Post Post #3859 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:50 am

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In post 3855, kuribo wrote:
In post 3853, Almost50 wrote:
In post 3851, panthaleon wrote:At this time I will not be revealing who the other members of my Neighborhood are,
Does it matter?? because maria already outed she was your neighbor, and the other one is already dead (Farkan or Creature). *Shrug*

Where do you get that from
In post 2089, MariaR wrote:It might be a bit obvious but Vex and I share a hood and he's basically lock town in my eyes. For his play in the hood/thread and he townslipped post number 1.
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Post Post #3860 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:51 am

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In post 3854, Almost50 wrote:Anyway, there you go, dave.

@Panth: Could you please answer why dave? Who in your hood suggested dave first? Where there any other candidates on the table to choose from?
If it's Maria I would not be surprised since she pretty much always scumreads me for stupid reasons. It's so NAI for her that I stopped paying attention to it.
If someone in that hood is scum with the other person in my hood then there you go. A perfectly reasonable looking action given her bias against me, that's probably among the most anti-town actions the game has.
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Post Post #3861 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:51 am

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No, where do you get that the others in that group are dead?
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Post Post #3862 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:55 am

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In post 3841, nomnomnom wrote:By all means quote the post where you were informed of any of this, I'll wait.
It was GIF or Volpe.

One of them said something like “Fine, we’ll just continue to commute Ankamius then” on Day 2.

We doc’d Ank Night 1, so it stuck out to me.

You go find it, we aren’t your fetch puppy, but I’ll be your puff puppy!

That doesn’t mean anything at all, I just didn’t wanna end it on the fetch puppy, puppy
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Post Post #3863 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:56 am

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In post 3855, kuribo wrote:
In post 3853, Almost50 wrote:
In post 3851, panthaleon wrote:At this time I will not be revealing who the other members of my Neighborhood are,
Does it matter?? because maria already outed she was your neighbor, and the other one is already dead (Farkan or Creature). *Shrug*

Where do you get that from
Maria said she was neighbors with pantha already, then we have the other outed hoods and flips.

A50+chenn+Ank is a hood
FL+EP+Elements (deceased) is another
nom+FB+Volpe (deceased) is a third
dave+DV+kuribo is the fourth (not sure about you being there, so THAT maybe where I went wrong. Is it?)
Maria+pantha+?? is a hood
gooey+DEB+?? is the last hood

No 2 flipped player shared the same hood, so the last 2 hoods should have had one flipped player each (namely Creature/Farkan)

Now if you are not with the Cops, then place yourself in the correct hood and put Creature/Farkan in the Cops in your stead (You don't have to say it aloud. I don't need to know which hood YOU are in because I hard TR you anyway).

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Post Post #3864 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:58 am

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In post 3829, davesaz wrote:Everyone has posted, and I'm reasonably certain they all posted after my info request.
It's probably scum in my hood. I hope there is a doc.
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Post Post #3865 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:00 am

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In post 3863, Almost50 wrote:Now if you are not with the Cops, then place yourself in the correct hood and put Creature/Farkan in the Cops in your stead (You don't have to say it aloud. I don't need to know which hood YOU are in because I hard TR you anyway).
Where did you get this from? I looked just now to see if somebody claimed a Cop hood and couldn’t find it.
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Post Post #3866 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:01 am

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I'm grouped with pant and Maria


In post 3860, davesaz wrote:
In post 3854, Almost50 wrote:Anyway, there you go, dave.

@Panth: Could you please answer why dave? Who in your hood suggested dave first? Where there any other candidates on the table to choose from?
If it's Maria I would not be surprised since she pretty much always scumreads me for stupid reasons. It's so NAI for her that I stopped paying attention to it.
If someone in that hood is scum with the other person in my hood then there you go. A perfectly reasonable looking action given her bias against me, that's probably among the most anti-town actions the game has.

That's hilarious because it actually was maria

Vex and I were both scumreading you day 1 so we said fuck it, we'll vote Dave

Pant replaced in during N2, and the general consensus was that he hadn't read the game so we figured repeating the N1 action was as good as anything having not seen any negative outcome. And with Maria and I both scum reading you anyway.
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Post Post #3867 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:02 am

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I'm hard townreading pant and Maria in part because our LMS ability would be great for scum and neither of them have made any moves to claim it for themselves. It's also higher utility for town. I also townread Vex based on the earnestness of his hood posts, and Maria as well to an extent.
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Post Post #3868 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:04 am

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Should also be worth noting that as of the beginning of day 3, I've expressed intent to roleblock that voteless bullshit instead
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Post Post #3869 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:07 am

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In post 3865, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 3863, Almost50 wrote:Now if you are not with the Cops, then place yourself in the correct hood and put Creature/Farkan in the Cops in your stead (You don't have to say it aloud. I don't need to know which hood YOU are in because I hard TR you anyway).
Where did you get this from? I looked just now to see if somebody claimed a Cop hood and couldn’t find it.
What ability do you think dave was referring to? Hint: It's an ability that returns a result, so they can tell id their action had gone through or failed.

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Post Post #3870 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:09 am

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Post Post #3873 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:16 am

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EC has some speculation but needs more to be able to guess

He thinks it's a reasonable idea that there's only 3 scum in this game (this is my own speculation, but >3 probably mean repeats rather than different hoods for each member)
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Post Post #3874 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:19 am

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In post 3866, kuribo wrote:I'm grouped with pant and Maria
My bad then. So the Investigative Hood has only dave/DV alive in it. I would strongly lean DV is the Scum of the two, and it makes even more sense now that he is trying to lynch you. Your hood has Scum in it, and DV is also Scum, and they're setting up "pairs" so they can sweep the game with the last-man-standing abilities.

WAIT A MINUTE! Is one of them like.. skipping a day (double night) kind of thing?? (A50 moon!lLogic trademark. All rights reserved)

But we have to take into account who was NK'd (because that was pure Scum doing) over who was lynched (because that had to have Town's support to go through)

Sp, FB/nom has 1 scum and whichever of dave/DV & DEB/gooey had Farkan as their third also has 1 scum in that pair.
This does not mean I'm clearing the other pair
though. I'm just saying I'd be more confident one scum is in the hood Farkan was in.

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