Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

[Elsa Jay]

If they prefer evens then they'd know with deduction who the 5 lynches would probs be. Unless they already pocketed you it's suicide.

[Eddie Cane]

of course i dont get the lynches i want and i ended up hammering unwnd for other reasons but soft bussing isnt exactly out of the realm of possibility here

you disagree with my auto 5 killpool at all?

i agree soft bussing is a potential thing, hence bob and nacl not being town clears. SS did not feel like bussing to me though, you disagree?

[Eddie Cane]

If they prefer evens then they'd know with deduction who the 5 lynches would probs be. Unless they already pocketed you it's suicide.

Yea but its still 5 lynches with 11 alive my friend. 11 -> 9 -> 7 -> 5 -> 3 ->

[Eddie Cane]

and that if he was town i needed him to push pine with me

he did push pine

off a cliff

[OkaPoka]

then for the rest of the phase i just told him how he was dead

pedit: idk i dont feel like SS is doing uh anything of note other than being a vote past day

i like your killpool but seeing as this is potentially the only phase with 3 ics we should boogie down

[OkaPoka]

i also left in the pt that i thought pops was very aligned with both pine and piss and had reasonings for it which makes the nk even weirder

occams razor imo is that he thought killing pine would make me tr him? which i guess kinda happened for parts of the day

[OkaPoka]

maybe im going down a rabbit hole but iirc s_s did kinda soft defend krazy when i pushed him early?

it was like s_s and nancy defending krazy while i pushed krazy and

pops/pine/piss soft supporting me

[OkaPoka]

maybe its possible that krazy asked to be bussed and if I didn't back off krazy early we would've had pine/piss hard pocket me and I would've been a pocketed ic assuming d1 krazzy lynch which could be a possibility of a scum plan

[OkaPoka]

since after all, my backing off krazy couldn't really be expected because usually i double down on pushing people who are being toxic but i decided it fit dva (krazy's alt) to be toxic as town so I backed off

[Eddie Cane]

Well uh reading into scum's mind is weird my take is

1) I vocally town read Pine and scum read Krazy
2) Pine was not town reading Krazy and Mastina / Xtoxm / Kuribo is a strong team with good Krazy reads
3) Combining me!IC townreading town!Pine who is jointly scumreading scum!Krazy... probably always leads to dead!unwnd day 2 regardless of Pine being alive, which then spews Pine as town

don't think its a wild kill :shrug:

SS was useless d2 agree but he also voted scum yesterday if you're bussing to win in f3 do you really do it that nonchalantly?

[OkaPoka]

Well uh reading into scum's mind is weird my take is

1) I vocally town read Pine and scum read Krazy
2) Pine was not town reading Krazy and Mastina / Xtoxm / Kuribo is a strong team with good Krazy reads
3) Combining me!IC townreading town!Pine who is jointly scumreading scum!Krazy... probably always leads to dead!unwnd day 2 regardless of Pine being alive, which then spews Pine as town

don't think its a wild kill :shrug:

SS was useless d2 agree but he also voted scum yesterday if you're bussing to win in f3 do you really do it that nonchalantly?

SS has shown he's willing to kill both his scumbuddies on day 1 in a 4 person scumteam in baton pass

he sheeped RC

you are RC in this situation

: ^ )

[Eddie Cane]

you are RC

watch it

[OkaPoka]

Well uh reading into scum's mind is weird my take is

1) I vocally town read Pine and scum read Krazy
2) Pine was not town reading Krazy and Mastina / Xtoxm / Kuribo is a strong team with good Krazy reads
3) Combining me!IC townreading town!Pine who is jointly scumreading scum!Krazy... probably always leads to dead!unwnd day 2 regardless of Pine being alive, which then spews Pine as town

don't think its a wild kill :shrug:

SS was useless d2 agree but he also voted scum yesterday if you're bussing to win in f3 do you really do it that nonchalantly?

yeah what I'm saying is unwnd had a written reason why he shouldn't kill pine, he could've left me to do that for him and made me look very bad

unless of course he didn't believe i thought pine was scum which is also possible since i was being a wildcard and evasive and a liar d1

[OkaPoka]

we should probably go through every slot and make sure we don't end up marking them town for random reasons and then auto kill the lhfs

we have 3 ics so one of us can play devils advocate wo everyone wanting our heads

[Eddie Cane]

All 3 of these people have votes, but I would like to propose a town bloc of Titus, Oka, SS.

I just want this to be right

but uh, I think I hard town read him day 1 independent of pushes. His presence has been 0 lately which isn't helping confidence. I haven't played with him!scum fwiw.

you thinking he's kill today maybe or just something to consider after scummier slots are purged if games still going

[Eddie Cane]

we should probably go through every slot and make sure we don't end up marking them town for random reasons and then auto kill the lhfs

we have 3 ics so one of us can play devils advocate wo everyone wanting our heads

I've uh been doing this extensively with Ank Tom and Dann because we all agree this is the funnest TM game but down to do it again

start with Titus Amrun Nancy?

[OkaPoka]

All 3 of these people have votes, but I would like to propose a town bloc of Titus, Oka, SS.

I just want this to be right

but uh, I think I hard town read him day 1 independent of pushes. His presence has been 0 lately which isn't helping confidence. I haven't played with him!scum fwiw.

you thinking he's kill today maybe or just something to consider after scummier slots are purged if games still going

i have a higher list of priorities

its not today and i am very sure that if s-s ends up being scum he'll only survive if its him,titus,nancy in lylo 3

[OkaPoka]

Titus: I think I literally locked her town for her hood outting idea? Then every other post she made I kinda just accepted shes misguided town

[OkaPoka]

I need to conceive a world where Titus decided that outting hoods is something she would do as scum since I doubt pops/krazy would coach her to do that

Since I do believe she thinks its the optimal play as town

[Eddie Cane]

Titus yo

I need reads on Nancy, Krazy, Piss, Pops. With reasons please

Weak town, weak scum, moderate town, moderate scum

Should be in my iso

lol i think this one post is enough to town bloc Titus

[OkaPoka]

brb

[OkaPoka]

amrun tr because of her whole pops fight that happened kinda randomly

[Amrun]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=127&t=74684
Last TM, we killed scum d1 and d2, and then d3 Ginngie faked a guilty on a townie so we did not have a perfect game. Shall we break that record?

Elsa: Ank thinks this is her town game.
Piss: Dann thinks Piss is not with Pops (d1 read). Ank thinks Piss is town.
Hectic: has some super partnery posts, also has some super not partnery posts.
Bob: buried his partner, still robotic, if there's a bus vote probably here maybe??
NaCl: Just seems... town. Has not posted a lot, another potential light busser to look at.

Does anybody in these 5 have a great argument for why they're town?

My piss town read has only strengthened. His play as scum is agenda driven and it’s just ... not that, here.

Frankly, A50 thought Elsa was PO, so I’ll have to see what he thinks now that we know she isn’t.

Hectic I thought was town for his reaction to Nancy’s “tow slip” day 1, but I mean, it’s nothing to hang a hat on. I kind of have a hard time seeing scum going that far out on the limb for pops as well.

NaCl feels pretty towny for me but no solid reasoning, similar to you.

Of note, skitter and I have dropped our SS town reads. He’s kinda coasting. But I’ve literally mislynched him before saying the same shit SoOoOoOo....

[Eddie Cane]

Oka I spent a lot of the night phase vetting my town circle with my team so I think its actually easier if I let you come to the same conclusions and we discuss the disagreements (hopefully only SS)

and DDL whenever he's free

[Eddie Cane]

My piss town read has only strengthened. His play as scum is agenda driven and it’s just ... not that, here.

I am going to be honest, I think these 3 posts mean I can't let Piss live this game even if there are townie points

because the core town here is

- ND
- oka
- piss
- amrun
- unwnd
- SS

- eddie


leaving

- hecktic
- bob
- nacl
- elsa
- doodles
- titus

unwnd is justa shitty comprise

unwnd is in any case a counter to a counter wagon at this point. I think Ive underestimated the methodology oka has employed here and he's gathering reads, but the wagon itself is a compromise.