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[kuribo]

i'm going to have to ask you to start using your guillemets in that case

Non.

[kuribo]

God

oh buddy, god left this chat a long time ago

[panthaleon]

Oka says they weren't paying attention, but that omnom and chennisdan are on their shit list

Also apparently EC means Eddie Cane and he's good. Neat.

[Flavor Leaf]

Jingle says his notes say chen/EP town, ank/gif probscum, but then like a page later, he said ank maybe town. He doesn’t remember why he had them really, but if EC wants he can reread over the next couple days, and go in more deets.

Paraphrased, obvi.

[DeasVail]

DV who's starting to worry me because he's becoming erratic

What is worrying about that to you exactly?

You wanted no part of a wagon on someone that you couldn't even be bothered to claim was town. You looked at that wagon on an extremely scummy player (volxen), said you didn't have any reason not to lynch it, and then wouldn't put your vote where your mouth was. It makes me wonder why you'd avoid a wagon on someone you said you couldn't make a town case for. You can excuse not voting voxlen all you want by saying you thought a replacement would offer insight (how'd that work out) but I still maintain that if you're THAT sure a slot is scum, it won't offer insight. Ever. I've been making this stand for years. Hell, I've had people hand me the hammer on replacements I'm scumreading because they know I won't hesitate to save the mod the trouble.

You can say all you want that you'd been building to your vote on me for a while, but your posts don't indicate that either.

You think nom is scum, but you're not voting there either.

You've said you don't think I "care" about the game. Have you played with me since 2012?! I don't fucking pretend to have stronger opinions than I really have, dude. And if I have some apathy, have you considered I've already explained that this game is complete dogshit for me? Do I really need to go on another multi-paragraph rant about why I hate being alive in this shit?

Bottom line: You're playing it safe with your votes. You were confident enough in nom scum to counterwagon off volxen (who you didn't townread) and yet today you're trying to stay off a nom wagon.

So yeah, dude, I'd say your behavior is worrying.

I don’t think I have played with you since 2012.

And I never actually had a scumread on volxen. He’d made hardly any posts so it would make sense that I would want to wait for more info before lynching that slot.

My suspicion of you was to a large degree influenced by discussion with my team and I’m pretty sure I’ve indicated that.

I also think you’ve taken a vote to mean more than it actually does. I don’t need to be super confident in a nom scumread to vote nom Day 2. I haven’t had much confidence in any scumreads to be honest.

UNVOTE: Kuribo
VOTE: Nom

I’ve decided that this is where I want to go. I will have to talk with my team about the kuribo read because I do think he could be town while they were strongly scumreading him. Watch this space.

My team, however, is aligned on nom being scum and I think that they’re justification used to vote me is further evidence of that. I think that nom has been looking for an excuse to suspect me for a while and the reads contradiction thing is... super weak? There was not even that much change in my reads and I think it would be expected by town that reads would change. This feels like scum deciding that they want to be on my wagon or want to “suspect” me and have been searching for a reason to justify it. It does not feel like town considering a slot’s posts and forming a read based on that.

Gamma, you’ve said that no one is trying to convince anyone of nom being scum but I have pretty consistently throughout the game been talking about why nom is scum.

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Dave, I’m interested in why you haven’t used our hood to try and form your read on me. I still think you’re probably town but I’d like to hear from you about it.

I also really do need justification from Maria/kuribo about why roleblocking an unknown hood’s ability is considered a good idea. Isn’t it most likely that this ability will be mostly town-controlled?

DV can you please explain your town read on kuribo and reconcile it with your team's scum read on kuribo? This would go a long way in making me think that you're not scum.

I wouldn't say that I townread kuribo like I did earlier in the game but I do get think there is a reasonable chance that he is being genuine, particularly in his responses to me. My team started out scumreading nom, then thought that kuribo was nom's scumbuddy, and then Klick became more sure on Kuribo being scum than nom. Their reads are also mostly just responses to parts of the game that they're reading (a lot of saying people are scumposting or obvscum without necessarily articulating why , but I understand because there are just so many posts!), but Cephrir didn't like Kuribo's arguments that Volxen should be lynched instead of trying to lynch scum. (I think they felt it was a likely town lurker lynch)

[DeasVail]

I skim over the last few pages and I see a lot of talk about LMS and neighbourhoods and I don't really get much of it. I feel like it's mostly overblown in terms of importance?

I just want to lynch nomnom and I think I'm going to stick by that. She's the person I've most consistently thought was scum throughout the game.

I saw mention of Maria liking nomnom because of consistency of play, but I feel like that's just as likely (if not more likely) to come from scum paying attention to what they're doing.
I don't like nom posting that she's "likely the night kill anyway" because I really don't think that's true and I doubt that nom does either.
And I don't like the fear being drummed into town by the thought of FB-SCUM ( :O ) having their LMS.

I want to lynch nom.

Please?

[kuribo]

Cephrir didn't like Kuribo's arguments that Volxen should be lynched instead of trying to lynch scum. (I think they felt it was a likely town lurker lynch)

Cephrir obviously wasn't reading the damn game then because I never suggested volxen as a lurker lynch. It was a scum read of mine and it didn't flip town.

[kuribo]

Like don't try to frame it that I ever said "oh hey let's lynch a lurk instead of scum"

I did say "that slot is scum and no replacement into it can ever redeem it."


Those two sentiments are so far apart that they're not even the same continent

[DeasVail]

Cephrir didn't like Kuribo's arguments that Volxen should be lynched instead of trying to lynch scum. (I think they felt it was a likely town lurker lynch)

Cephrir obviously wasn't reading the damn game then because I never suggested volxen as a lurker lynch. It was a scum read of mine and it didn't flip town.

I don't think this is fair on Ceph.

[DeasVail]

Like don't try to frame it that I ever said "oh hey let's lynch a lurk instead of scum"

I did say "that slot is scum and no replacement into it can ever redeem it."


Those two sentiments are so far apart that they're not even the same continent

I'm not commenting on what you said, I'm commenting on what the perception in my hood was.

[DeasVail]

Apologies, I realised that what I posted implied that what you posted was that we shouldn't lynch scum. I meant that they felt it was a distraction from lynching scum.

[Gammagooey]

Like seriously what is the point of my wagon. All y’all are mad about is a lack of presence. Name scummy things I’ve done. Y’all just can’t decide on an actual scum lynch so you’re going for the biggest null read in the game, and hoping for the best.
VOTE: Espresso Patronum

secretly you're pretty close to right

But if it's clear you're not going to bother trying hard enough to play the game and become actually readable as town or scum that in itself is a great way for scum to skate by for as long as possible without having to put out reads that could help identify their scum partners so it's probably still worth killing you for it

So tell ya what you have put out a few mentions/reads of people today - tell me what you think of dave and nomnom's play so far and give an actual read on kuribo instead of just dicking with him and I'll be reasonably happy to vote someone else for the next few days.

DEB

DEBBBBBB

did you miss this or not feel like answering it DEEEBBBBB

[Dr Easy Bake]

My bad g, I saw it but totally forgot. I’ve got class all day again so I’ll give you a good answer letter today.

[Dr Easy Bake]

Later

[Gammagooey]

I think this is right but don't take it as gospel

Dr Easy Bake (6): Gammagooey, Almost50, chennisden, Flavor Leaf, Ankamius, MariaR
DeasVail (2): daveaz, Dr. Easy Bake
nomnomnom (2): panthaleon, DeasVail
kuribo (1): Firebringer
Firebringer (1): nomnomnom

Not Voting (2): kuribo, Espresso Patronum

With 14 alive it's 8 to lynch. Deadline is 2/1 at 9PM EST.

[Gammagooey]

My bad g, I saw it but totally forgot. I’ve got class all day again so I’ll give you a good answer letter today.

i appreciate it

enough to do this even
VOTE: unvote

[Gammagooey]

Hey nomnom, what are your thoughts on DEB and DeasVail?

I wouldn't mind hearing some other more detailed thoughts from you too (if X is scum Y is a likely scumbuddy or who you think looks particularly town at the moment) but I gotta go now so I can't give you more specifics than that of what I think would be cool to hear from you atm.

[Ankamius]

This game would be a lot easier if more slots were unambiguously town

[kuribo]

Apologies, I realised that what I posted implied that what you posted was that we shouldn't lynch scum. I meant that they felt it was a distraction from lynching scum.

A slot that you yourself couldn't bring yourself to town read


And which wasn't town


Was a distraction from lynching scum


How does that even work?

[EspressoPatronum]

I need to learn to read.

I don't believe in coincidences, this makes Maria look pretty bad.

How dare anyone not know on day 1 that Dave would claim on day 3 to be part of an investigative group


The nerve

I'm sure this is covered somewhere in the next few pages, but I'll answer anyway just in case.

Nom is suggesting that MariaR and one of Dave/DV are scum. The scum in the invest would would tell the scum in the RB hood to block the invest hood. I think A50 brought this up earlier.

[EspressoPatronum]

Well now I REALLY want to know what DV's hood was lol.

This information is already out now.

Dave + DV are in an inventor hood. Farkran was the third. The inventions give investigative powers.

[EspressoPatronum]

You're acting like I am blaming you for something when I'm questioning Maria's side of things in all this, which is odd and doesn't inspire me confidence in your slot.

You're coming across like you're blaming me, or pant, or Maria, or whoever is convenient for something we'd have no prior knowledge of. "Maybe this makes pant look extremely bad" "oh no wait now maria looks bad."

It's not blame. It's just sanely questioning that the target just so happened to be in an invest hood. Anyone with 2 braincells would look at this and say "odd". I don't know.

That only works as not-coincidence if you think DV or Dave is scum with Maria, and you don't seem to think that either. Anyone with two braincells would look at that and say "odd."


Also please put punctuation inside quotations. Not doing so makes my inner writer cry.

Wait is that how it works? French writing makes us put the punctuation outside of quotation marks
[...]

It's stylistic.

Fwiw, I prefer punctuation on the inside.

[EspressoPatronum]

vengeful isn't that op. why we freaking out about it?

I missed where vengeful as a LMS got brought up.

Can you show/tell me?

[EspressoPatronum]

MASSCLAIM:
Hood: Leading Actors
Members: EP, FL, X Elements
Power: Doctor
LMS: X-shot lightning rod

[davesaz]

I need to learn to read.

I don't believe in coincidences, this makes Maria look pretty bad.

How dare anyone not know on day 1 that Dave would claim on day 3 to be part of an investigative group


The nerve

I'm sure this is covered somewhere in the next few pages, but I'll answer anyway just in case.

Nom is suggesting that MariaR and one of Dave/DV are scum. The scum in the invest would would tell the scum in the RB hood to block the invest hood. I think A50 brought this up earlier.

It shouldn't be too hard to guess that the one who brought it up in the first place because they were outraged that the invest has been denied is town.
At least someone is paying attention.