White Flag - TM2020

Formerfish · Post Post #1975 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:01 pm

In post 1960, Dannflor wrote:It does feel like a tunnel if you're misrepresenting me / framing my slot in a way that I don't really think matches up with my play this game

that's specifically what I was frustrated about and why I wanted to engage you because I was town reading you after the nsg flip

I dont have a good way to evaluate your slot. After seeing you in Pine v Ali i realized i would never have picked up on you. There are certain people who i take as town until they arent, i think ive had you locked in as scum until you arent which shades a lot of things a certain way. I do think that we have better options than you for now and i can always keep my eye on you without having to openly chastise everything you do.

CheekyTeeky · Post Post #1976 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:21 pm

Fair. Just saying Espeon is making sense. It's possible nsgteam didn't care in all their games equally but that's different than them purposefully game throwing because their team is weak. That comment was outta left field from Auro, wasn't expecting that.

CheekyTeeky · Post Post #1977 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:23 pm

Inb4 dann is scum and setting me up for the NK.

CheekyTeeky · Post Post #1978 (ISO) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:31 pm

Also Pops is getting frustrated at Dann dismissing the obvious when nsg openly admitted discussing with her team what they were going to do D1 so it's not "micromanaging"

Espeonage · Post Post #1979 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:04 am

In post 1977, CheekyTeeky wrote:Inb4 dann is scum and setting me up for the NK.

Quietly been feeling this all day lol.

Formerfish · Post Post #1980 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:11 am

I feel weird that you guys express this after i stop my tunnel, like one of you wants me to be paranoid of him here.

Espeonage · Post Post #1981 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:12 am

Dude I have been voting him for like this whole day.

Formerfish · Post Post #1982 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:14 am

In post 1981, Espeonage wrote:Dude I have been voting him for like this whole day.

Sorry, brains fried in many ways right now.

gobbledygook · Post Post #1983 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:33 am

In post 1970, Auro wrote:Or, on the other hand, they wrote off the game due to inexperienced/easy-to-catch scum players and decided NSG could help in towngames instead.

Did you bring this up the first time...? This is the second time I’ve seen this mentioned and this seems like a particularly bad take. What does the NSG team mafia team have to gain from this type of prioritization?

Auro · Post Post #1984 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:52 am

More time to study other games before teammates flip?

gobbledygook · Post Post #1985 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:20 am

But That turns into a net loss for that team though. If you lose a scam game and you went all your town games, you’re still not likely to win because there’s likely a team with all town rolls. I just don’t really understand the logic from your perspective that she would ignore this game on that assumption.

gobbledygook · Post Post #1986 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:20 am

It looks like you’re trying to shade the not well spoken or well-known players in this game. People that the general public would view as scam liabilities.

CheekyTeeky · Post Post #1987 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:11 am

>.> ok now I'm worried.

gobbledygook · Post Post #1988 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:34 am

I’m sorry those two posts were so horribly produced. I blame speech to text when I’m shivering my hands off walking to work.

Auro · Post Post #1989 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:41 am

Assuming a prior that your scum game is a high % loss despite effort, and the relative chances that a "not playing D1" gambit works? This is very weak reasoning anyway.

There are tons of reasons to "shade" most slots lol, if my intention is to drive a lynch in inactive slots

CheekyTeeky · Post Post #1990 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:47 am

Dann/Auro is my new fav tinfoil.

Auro · Post Post #1991 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:49 am

I mean I find that comparably plausible to "NSG had awesome teammates so decided to lurk out and have scum partners bus her" as a strategy.

CheekyTeeky · Post Post #1992 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:54 am

Great, I'll take it.

Auro · Post Post #1993 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:13 am

Dann/Me scumteam would be kick-ass in this gamestate tho

CheekyTeeky · Post Post #1994 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:17 am

Yeah you guy are doing great keep it up! Definitely nomming this performance.

Auro · Post Post #1995 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:32 am

Thanks! I'm such an awesome scum player, NSG trusted my completely :')

Dannflor · Post Post #1996 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:35 am

yeah look at all that town cred I got for HARD BUSSING nsg

Espeonage, you mentioned an FF flip would be really helpful. How do your reads change if he’s green and vice versa? I feel like you’ve done a lot of mechanical analysis but I don’t have a good idea of what your reads are beyond me and Cheeky.

Dannflor · Post Post #1997 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:36 am

actually lol

If it was the plan from the start to bus nsg

Do I ever do what I did yesterday as scum

Auro · Post Post #1998 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:41 am

Wifom

Dannflor · Post Post #1999 (ISO) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:45 am

I don’t think WIFOM is worth the absolute mess of yesterday and sacrificing the hypothetical town cred I would’ve gotten for “following the plan.”

These two theories seem to be in opposition.

The theory is possible, and Pops don’t get mad at me, but I’m of the strong opinion that nsg’s play would not have differed regardless of how strong her team was. It’s obvious she had very limited time for Team Mafia, so regardless of the strength of her scum team and taking into consideration her skill set. I think this was always going to be her game.