Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[MathBlade]

Or... you're just fundamentally wrong on everything and Ari isn't?

You’re not Ari. I am asking him. Stop garcia’ing.

[RadiantCowbells]

I just thought all possibilities should be considered!

I knew you wouldn't think of that on your own.

VOTE: Saudade

[Aristophanes]

Ari, I'm waiting for nice things in sauds iso from you.

Math, I'll try to word vomit later. I get that I wasn't clear enough earlier.

Right yes sorry, I went put last night so I didn't do this yet but it is in the plans.

[MathBlade]

I just thought all possibilities should be considered!

I knew you wouldn't think of that on your own.

VOTE: Saudade

And what do you think asking Ari why he townreads you is?

I would like an answer btw

[Xtoxm]

frequent vote movement isnt scummy
dk why ppl think it is

i'd be happy to support an {ico,math} driven wagon

[Xtoxm]

also shos
tell hito to fuck off
consider this the sum total of my response to his comments on me
tia

[MathBlade]

frequent vote movement isnt scummy
dk why ppl think it is

i'd be happy to support an {ico,math} driven wagon

RC then please

[MathBlade]

BBMolla now townreads Ari. So I think he gets out of the scum pool for now. Much as I have a gut feeling it doesn’t override a majority of my townreads saying so.

Ari why do you townread RC?

[Xtoxm]

get ico on board
you guys are split atm

[MathBlade]

get ico on board
you guys are split atm

Ico is on board with RC scum he just wants Shos first.
Ico has a concussion
And
I don’t see Shos scum atm unless RC is town and I don’t think there is any way in hell RC is town

I don’t see anyone explaining RC town read and even if he is I think he’s too destructive to be kept alive

Shos if scum can easily wait another day

[Xtoxm]

my own notes on rc, fwiw:

mortality: 1 night survived (caveat:no kill)
wolf pelts: 0
mislynches: 1
tone: n/a
post count: n/a
agenda: delete town!ec +scum equity

[shos]

Hey guys, I'm sorry I wasn't active today this was a horrible day and this game had 7 new pages by the time I woke up so I couldn't do this at work on phone. I'll re-catch-up from page 200 in ~16 hours from now

[MathBlade]

my own notes on rc, fwiw:

mortality: 1 night survived (caveat:no kill)
wolf pelts: 0
mislynches: 1
tone: n/a
post count: n/a
agenda: delete town!ec +scum equity

?? I do not follow on the “agenda”

Assume RC is town.

It’s a plus to get rid of his toxicity and have a townblock focused on me and Ico that RC doesn’t shade every three seconds with “Math sucks”

What equity is RC providing? He has no reads and doesn’t want accountability for them that is scum one oh one.

[RadiantCowbells]

EC's scumreads in this game contain at most 1 scum and his most confident scumread is a town power role. I am significantly less afraid of EC than I am of other members on that team.
And none of the top 3 players in TM that worry me when I'm scum are on that team.

[RadiantCowbells]

If I'm scum it's still more likely that I no killed in the hope that I'd be protected than me actually shooting Mathblade, which is something that would never happen, btw.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm also sort of confused what everyone's idea is of what my gameplan here is as scum, even ignoring the whole "shooting mathblade" aspect when he was the only townblock townreading me
I apparently know that Mathblade was protected, I also caught the crumb, and I decide to push them anyway and antagonize the town instead of not doing that, particularly when I know that the sole heuristic that Mathblade generates reads off of is who is kissing up to them = town and who is not sheeping their scumreads = scum? Like, I'd know I can't lynch Math, correct?
I as scum with Shos/Plum decide to back off the wagon twice over two days because of people (skitter/Math) trying to call me scum if they flip town?
I as scum with Shos/Plum town decide to push half of the town in the early days and earn a lot of emnity towards my slot instead of letting the TvT Ari/Plum wagons fight?

I'm tired and stressed from having had no real break from being pushed on in this game over two game days as town PR. I really don't care anymore about the outcome of the game. If you think that I am somehow still scum in spite of all of the evidence that I'm not then go ahead and lynch me but quit acting like it's because I'm scummy as opposed to you not caring about my alignment.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'll selfhammer if I get to L-1, I'll vote whoever Skitter votes otherwise, I'm done playing otherwise unless NSG pops up.

[RadiantCowbells]

My ultimate trigger point as town is when people push on me dishonestly and then end up being town in spite of it. There's no chance that either Mathblade or The Worst believed most of the reasons that they gave for me being scum. For example, Mathblade's last post indicates that I'm scum because I have no reads and am trying to duck responsibility when on D1 I played in a way to gain maximum responsibility and I've made no secret of both my rather large block of townreads and my scumreads who are largely in the lurkers. It's also just terrible reasoning because I am perfectly capable of having reads as scum. The alternative is that Mathblade is a player who doesn't care about what's actually happening and just says whatever he thinks will resonate well to get his way, which given Mathblade's history having fakeclaimed a guilty on me when we were both town, yeah. I am capable of a lot better than this, but if I had to define the kind of lobby that I would most dislike and do most poorly in, this is pretty much exactly what it looks like.

I just want to move on from this game.

[MathBlade]

My ultimate trigger point as town is when people push on me dishonestly and then end up being town in spite of it. There's no chance that either Mathblade or The Worst believed most of the reasons that they gave for me being scum. For example, Mathblade's last post indicates that I'm scum because I have no reads and am trying to duck responsibility when on D1 I played in a way to gain maximum responsibility and I've made no secret of both my rather large block of townreads and my scumreads who are largely in the lurkers. It's also just terrible reasoning because I am perfectly capable of having reads as scum. The alternative is that Mathblade is a player who doesn't care about what's actually happening and just says whatever he thinks will resonate well to get his way, which given Mathblade's history having fakeclaimed a guilty on me when we were both town, yeah. I am capable of a lot better than this, but if I had to define the kind of lobby that I would most dislike and do most poorly in, this is pretty much exactly what it looks like.

I just want to move on from this game.

I did not fake claim a guilty.

I had proof you were not as you claimed.

That is a guilty.

I won’t let you treat everyone like shit and don’t mind taking it but I would rather lose than assume you’re this much of an ass as town. Because as scum there’s at least a reason for you shading me.

You seem really unhinged.

All I am doing is asking questions. You didn’t like that.

[MathBlade]

My ultimate trigger point as town is when people push on me dishonestly and then end up being town in spite of it. There's no chance that either Mathblade or The Worst believed most of the reasons that they gave for me being scum. For example, Mathblade's last post indicates that I'm scum because I have no reads and am trying to duck responsibility when on D1 I played in a way to gain maximum responsibility and I've made no secret of both my rather large block of townreads and my scumreads who are largely in the lurkers. It's also just terrible reasoning because I am perfectly capable of having reads as scum. The alternative is that Mathblade is a player who doesn't care about what's actually happening and just says whatever he thinks will resonate well to get his way, which given Mathblade's history having fakeclaimed a guilty on me when we were both town, yeah. I am capable of a lot better than this, but if I had to define the kind of lobby that I would most dislike and do most poorly in, this is pretty much exactly what it looks like.

I just want to move on from this game.

Then why freak out when I mentioned BoP?

You literally are lying now and trying to create AtE to avoid being lynched.

If you didn’t care there would be no AtE

[RadiantCowbells]

Are you so sure that I'm scum that you're willing to agree protective goes on Skitter and you sheep my townblock for the duration of the game because if you agree to those conditions I'll selfvote.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't see the point of arguing with you because you don't actually engage with me, you just look for ways to twist everything I say to make me look bad

I did not fake claim a guilty.

I had proof you were not as you claimed.

That is a guilty.

This is 100% not true. A guilty is mechanical confirmation that someone is scum. The only person on your side at the end of the game was Virtuoso who hates me.

[Xtoxm]

im struggling to find ec's reads, is it #2358?

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, uh, I am still fairly sure the only stuff I have said outside of calling you a furry (which I can't explain at this time but has nothing to do with you really) and that I hate you is that you're bad at mafia.
I am not an asshole for saying your reads need to be silenced. Your play is bad and your reads need to be silenced. Everyone agrees that your reads are bad. I'm just the only one saying it to your face.

Accusing me of being unhinged is an attack on my mental health.

im struggling to find ec's reads, is it #2358?

I'm going off of TW's final post where he said 1 scum in RC, 1 or 2 scum in Plum/Flopz, and my reasonable level of conviction that Plum/Flopz are not SvS.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like you have now come to an agreement on Ari and I believe on Skitter (if I'm town). So let's just put this from my point of view where I know I'm town and I believe the other two are town.
What should I be doing if not telling anyone hey guys please don't listen to mathblade because their reads are bad when I don't have the towncred or general clout in this lobby to counter your wagons any other way

What exactly do I do here? I can't negotiate with you, you ignore all my arguments because they come from me and call me bad. I can't use general clout/townread to circumvent your reads because I have none, and I have none because in a significant part you have chosen to spend most of the day discrediting me and my reads. What I can do is explain in a rational objective sense why your reads aren't good.

The alternative is to just let you drive the game off of a cliff which based on the fact that you agree with my townreads if I'm town you should agree you're doing fmpov, so...