White Flag - TM2020

[Formerfish]

Like what's Espeon's plan here?

Well, fmpov i see Espy setting me up for a lynch regardless of what his read on me is. If he's shading Dann as well then he could be setting Dann up for tomorrows mislynch after trying for me today.

[Espeonage]

Alright.

Dann, can I talk to you for some real talk here bc you are running the town and while I don't think you are town, there is at least a decent chance you are and scum is other people in the list.

One of the things that reinforced my read on you was the fact that your duck Lynch pool post makes more sense as scum telling you how important my Lynch is which could be paraphrased. I refuse to believe a team as smart as yours isn't able to take a step back and go Espe thinks with some amount of certainty that one of these five players is scum, I am only one of them, so I don't need to try and shoot down the case. Like the fact that there is an overlap in our Lynch pools is really grinding on me because I do not see town you not compromising with me for a day or two. And I especially don't see duck letting you do that.

Now to FF, I am really really annoyed at the fact that you somehow think I am pushing you. I am not pushing you, haven't since day 1, but you are trapped in some sort of irrational paranoia that is about the only thing you have talked about all day.

@Dann quoting me, I haven't felt like FF should be lynched first since I went in to game solve. I didn't even really think it. It was an off topic post to what was being discussed bc at the time I felt it was true bc I still really wanted to get more info on Dunn. FF would have been a tool to that end.

If people want me to order my Lynch pool list my preferred order would be Dann, Hop, Auro, Dunn, FF.

With the proviso that not a single player that has come under medium to high level of scrutiny is lynched until at least two highly town read players. Because like I don't enjoy the term deep wolf, I am nest to certain in my Lynch pool list hitting scum at least once and god save this game if I am lynched and Dann or Dunn is scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

Like what's Espeon's plan here?

Well, fmpov i see Espy setting me up for a lynch regardless of what his read on me is. If he's shading Dann as well then he could be setting Dann up for tomorrows mislynch after trying for me today.

Yeah that makes sense except he's dying today.

[Dannflor]

Alright.

Espeonage, I think you underestimate how confident me + Eddie + duck are confident in our town reads. We have repeatedly given reasoning for all of them. We've combed this game backwards and forwards and checked ourselves on our reads. Ank has even weighed in on a few of the reads which means we're 4/4 in agreement on Dunn!town for example.

We've cased them. The only person in your lynch pool I think has a chance of flipping scum is Hopkirk. And we honestly think killing anyone else in that pool is against win con. I would expect you to be analyzing this game at deeper level than you are. If you want me to compromise with you, or hell even see that there's slight chance you could be town, you have to give a better reason for lynching our most confident reads in the game than this mechanical theory that—as I've already discussed—not an overwhelmingly likely scenario given NSG's range. Her scum game basically caps out at the game she linked when defending herself earlier this game.

I don't see you actually playing mafia beyond this. I even asked you repeatedly for reads beyond myself, Cheeky, Dong, and you've ignored me. The overlap in our lynchpools is one (1), the rest are in our top two tiers of town reads. We obviously don't give your case much credence, so why would we be compromising with our top scum read who is scum reading us for incredulous reasons?

Like, the point of your trajectory right now boils down to: "I want consensus town reads lynched," but you haven't actually explained whether you scum read these slots—beyond myself actually. Talk to me on Auro/Dunn/FF, why aren't you town reading them? What even is your read on them?

You're going after us for not "being as smart as you'd think," but my team literally wants you dead because your posts make no sense coming from a town!Espeonage perspective. And the consensus is that even in the very small percentage you are town, that killing you will improve the chance town wins anyway.

Especially in this case, why would we compromise with you in lynch pool that contains out own slot as well as three 99% town reads?

[Espeonage]

My issue with your entire approach is that the game is past the phase where reads matter any more. Reads don't matter any more.

This is pure mechanical game solve.

[Espeonage]

Like in what world can you argue mechanical is worse than reads. Reads are much much more fallible.

[Espeonage]

Look I included that I fit all my own criteria except that I know I am town. Flip me then start lynching in my pool.

[Espeonage]

If that is what it takes to get my viewpoint respected then so be it.

[Espeonage]

We have enough lynches.

[Dannflor]

Look I included that I fit all my own criteria except that I know I am town. Flip me then start lynching in my pool.

That's literally what we're doing.

Hopkirk is after you.

[Dannflor]

If those were both to flip town then yes reassessing on our reads would have to be done but I'm pretty certain it's not lasting that long

[Espeonage]

My issue with Hopkirk next is a pure straight up do not trust the playerlist to Lynch you before Lylo if both me and cheeky are dead.

[Espeonage]

One of the main reasons you are at the top of the list is that people's strength of town game is irrelevant at the moment, but how strong they are as scum here is the biggest factor.

[Dannflor]

What about the other scum

[Espeonage]

Irrelevant.

[BBmolla]

Ok so far Pops hasn't read all the game but she has a spicy scum read on Cephrir and she berated me for being a dick to/scumspecting Dunnstral.
She used a lot of words to reason the Cephrir scumread that looked very convincing to me.
It's not anything tasty yet but that's the direction she's going with for now until she's fully caught up.

MathBlade says it's scummy that you called Math's (NSG/Ceph/Cheeky) scumreads bad but then went on to push Ceph. And you said "our objective" somewhere instead of the objective being getting scum lynched.

I'm unconcerned with you atm tbh but MathBlade wanted me to bring it up. If it sounds awkward it's because I paraphrased poorly.

[Dannflor]

well tom and ank and eddie thinks the words "pure mechanical game solve" is really really funny in a mountainous game much less white flag

so I think your perception of Duck may be off or you're scum

and tom wants to ask you why you had the audacity to roll scum *again*

[Dannflor]

Duck would like to offer a new mechanical game solve

He has a guilty on Espeonage

[BBmolla]

I agree this is literally as far away from pure mechanical solve as possible lmfao

[Cephrir]

what if we lynched hopkirk now and then the game was over

[BBmolla]

what if we lynched hopkirk now and then the game was over

i mean

that's why I was fine going quick

saves us a lot of brainpower

[Dannflor]

[BBmolla]

watching you explaining to Espy why he's scum while he does the same back to you is terrible uninteresting imo

[Dannflor]

we can just

end this day tbh

[Dannflor]

I think the game just ends