Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[MathBlade]

No math you pretend that you're a cooperative player but you're just as much or a dictator as I am, the difference is my perception of myself isn't at odds with reality and I have the general competence to be worth sheeping. Coalition builders don't vote people because they won't sheep them.

You just don’t get it and are not listening

You’re toxic af.

Teacher disagreed with me and so did Skitter

They aren’t toxic.

You are.

I really think you have to go. I don’t see cohesion happening here if you’re town and I hope I am right on you scum.

Your reads of TW scum and me having to be scum for disagreeing or sometimes even supporting your reads is now proven bunk.

You have two BoPs RC. You’re just not here this game.

I am not responding to your posts anymore. If anyone else wants to try to explain why antagonizing town vs talking reads is Townie motivated go ahead but if you honestly can explain how RC can cooperate with me and stop his bs that’s imho the only way he survives the day.

If you townread RC for fucks sake talk some sense into him. Because I am officially done trying and it’s too damaging to the gamestate for me to keep trying.

[RadiantCowbells]

Cohesion happens the moment you stop trying to lynch a town investigative. Is that something you'll do in the interest of making the game non toxic?

[MathBlade]

Like,tell someone to fuck off, that's gine. Telling someone they're a fucking idiot, it's a stretch but I get it especially in some situations. Repeating that someone is bad, throwing a stat in their face repeatedly, quoting a post 20 times in your post and then repeating a vote on them 50 times in the next post, something something mental illness, etc

none of that is acceptable and all of it is toxic.

I am all for less toxicity in mafia. Heck I am all for NO TOXICITY in mafia.
I know some will always occur and that's manageable. The levels here get out of control really fast though and I've almost reported a few posts, deciding not to because I mean, what good does that do really.

Like I get hat we can't just all live in a happy fun time world but I will fight against this shit whenever I can.

+1 this.

What are scum teams you’re thinking without RC and with?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like you complain that I'm uncohesive but I literally spent the majority of this day phase glued to a universal townreads vote. The only thing making the game not cohesive is people pushing on me.

[RadiantCowbells]

And calling me out for survivalism as a power role is just ???

[Aristophanes]

Like,tell someone to fuck off, that's gine. Telling someone they're a fucking idiot, it's a stretch but I get it especially in some situations. Repeating that someone is bad, throwing a stat in their face repeatedly, quoting a post 20 times in your post and then repeating a vote on them 50 times in the next post, something something mental illness, etc

none of that is acceptable and all of it is toxic.

I am all for less toxicity in mafia. Heck I am all for NO TOXICITY in mafia.
I know some will always occur and that's manageable. The levels here get out of control really fast though and I've almost reported a few posts, deciding not to because I mean, what good does that do really.

Like I get hat we can't just all live in a happy fun time world but I will fight against this shit whenever I can.

+1 this.

What are scum teams you’re thinking without RC and with?

With RC is tough tbh because I really don't see that as a likely possibility and as noted will have to rethink fuckloads of this game if he does flip scum at some point.

I suppose it would have to be skitter and uh....Iunno on a third. Teacher comes to mind for some reason but it could easily just be a lurker at that point.

Without RC and assuming claims are legit, it has to be within {shos, Xtoxm, Bella, Flopz}
and I think Bella is most likely town there.

I have working townreads on almost every other player not within that pool and I will only be looking at lynching within it so long as my RC townread stands.

[MathBlade]

Like,tell someone to fuck off, that's gine. Telling someone they're a fucking idiot, it's a stretch but I get it especially in some situations. Repeating that someone is bad, throwing a stat in their face repeatedly, quoting a post 20 times in your post and then repeating a vote on them 50 times in the next post, something something mental illness, etc

none of that is acceptable and all of it is toxic.

I am all for less toxicity in mafia. Heck I am all for NO TOXICITY in mafia.
I know some will always occur and that's manageable. The levels here get out of control really fast though and I've almost reported a few posts, deciding not to because I mean, what good does that do really.

Like I get hat we can't just all live in a happy fun time world but I will fight against this shit whenever I can.

+1 this.

What are scum teams you’re thinking without RC and with?

With RC is tough tbh because I really don't see that as a likely possibility and as noted will have to rethink fuckloads of this game if he does flip scum at some point.

I suppose it would have to be skitter and uh....Iunno on a third. Teacher comes to mind for some reason but it could easily just be a lurker at that point.

Without RC and assuming claims are legit, it has to be within {shos, Xtoxm, Bella, Flopz}
and I think Bella is most likely town there.

I have working townreads on almost every other player not within that pool and I will only be looking at lynching within it so long as my RC townread stands.

Of those I think Bella and Flopz have the highest probability of being scum.

Shos when I had a hood with him when I was SK hated reading, the fact he is behind makes me lean more town. If he was scum I think he would take some advice from scum buddies to do something.

XtomX I think is town because of his entrance regardless of RC’s alignment. If RC is scum that’s a hot accurate read. If RC is town then why would scum risk poking RC going “look over here at how inactive I am” “No really please look!” It doesn’t seem scummy.

Bella on the other hand has a similar problem to yours at the start. She agrees with me too much and I don’t see depth in her posts. I keep trying to get her to talk more to dissuade that read but it’s hard.

Flopz kinda is really only scum if you are due to their entrance. They “forgot” to vote you. Like that’s really awkward. But awkward isn’t always scum. It needs context.

Do you see where I am coming from?

[RadiantCowbells]

Why is Skitter scum because I'm scum??

It makes WAY more sense for me if I'm scum to have that interaction pattern with a townie I'm trying to pocket, not scum.

In addition besides Ico who evidently can't read her no one besides Math thinks there's a chance of her being scum. That includes RCE which is one of Maths top townreads.

This is actually the complete town killer in this game because if the side of town that scumreads me townread Skitter there would be at least some room for us to work together

Ari I'm super town on Bella too
Like RCE is super townread by Math and Skitter
Ico / Math are their own thing
Skitter30 is a thing

That's at least 5 people that are out of the lynchpool and I think we can probably clear Flopz for that "scum wouldn't kill Math" (you can lynch me to prove this is a legit read. It is) thing that was super genuine and I also think Bella is pretty towny in her own weird Bella way

Even if you don't clear me or Teacher who are contentious in the townblock that is at most 5 left. If you do that's 3 left. 2/3 of whom have the two worst mutual associatives in the game.

This... shouldn't be a hard game. And it wouldn't be a hard game if Math squad wasn't hard disrupting our end of the townblock and calling it our lack of cooperation

[RadiantCowbells]

Like,tell someone to fuck off, that's gine. Telling someone they're a fucking idiot, it's a stretch but I get it especially in some situations. Repeating that someone is bad, throwing a stat in their face repeatedly, quoting a post 20 times in your post and then repeating a vote on them 50 times in the next post, something something mental illness, etc

none of that is acceptable and all of it is toxic.

I am all for less toxicity in mafia. Heck I am all for NO TOXICITY in mafia.
I know some will always occur and that's manageable. The levels here get out of control really fast though and I've almost reported a few posts, deciding not to because I mean, what good does that do really.

Like I get hat we can't just all live in a happy fun time world but I will fight against this shit whenever I can.

+1 this.

What are scum teams you’re thinking without RC and with?

With RC is tough tbh because I really don't see that as a likely possibility and as noted will have to rethink fuckloads of this game if he does flip scum at some point.

I suppose it would have to be skitter and uh....Iunno on a third. Teacher comes to mind for some reason but it could easily just be a lurker at that point.

Without RC and assuming claims are legit, it has to be within {shos, Xtoxm, Bella, Flopz}
and I think Bella is most likely town there.

I have working townreads on almost every other player not within that pool and I will only be looking at lynching within it so long as my RC townread stands.

Of those I think Bella and Flopz have the highest probability of being scum.

Shos when I had a hood with him when I was SK hated reading, the fact he is behind makes me lean more town. If he was scum I think he would take some advice from scum buddies to do something.

XtomX I think is town because of his entrance regardless of RC’s alignment. If RC is scum that’s a hot accurate read. If RC is town then why would scum risk poking RC going “look over here at how inactive I am” “No really please look!” It doesn’t seem scummy.

Bella on the other hand has a similar problem to yours at the start. She agrees with me too much and I don’t see depth in her posts. I keep trying to get her to talk more to dissuade that read but it’s hard.

Flopz kinda is really only scum if you are due to their entrance. They “forgot” to vote you. Like that’s really awkward. But awkward isn’t always scum. It needs context.

Do you see where I am coming from?

You say cooperation I gave my reads I would clear both your strong scumreads no problem.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like there's literally no room for cooperation when you're townreading every last one of my scumreads for bad reasons. There's only room for saying no math is bad.

[RadiantCowbells]

And that's why I think it's a reasonable strong play to just say no math is bad until I get lynched and hopefully Skitter Ari and the rest of the townblock with good reads get to play town leader after my flip.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh actually I misread what you said

Failure to communicate actually on me but I'm guessing your strong scumreads are RC Skitter and Teacher

[MathBlade]

@Ari Here is my link for shos and why hyperactivity is murder for him

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 9#p9247749

I don’t think shos is scum.

Pedit @RC you have so many townreads you only have one scumread. That’s lynch who you say and I townread Saud.

Cooperation involves discussion of saying why give and take. You aren’t. You don’t explain why my reasons are bad and others see it. Xtom even directly agreed when I asked for it in thread.

Wait I am not supposed to respond to your posts Damn that being so addicting

[RadiantCowbells]

I have 7 townreads and 5 people who I will lynch if Skitter says so and I count myself in that 5.

[MathBlade]

Oh actually I misread what you said

Failure to communicate actually on me but I'm guessing your strong scumreads are RC Skitter and Teacher

No I think Teacher is town.

You as scum almost no matter what or a scum beard.

Skitter makes sense because of your hyper reactivity and Skitter’s “I scumread math but I don’t wanna vote him” when the shos wagon was already destroyed was just bad.

[MathBlade]

I have 7 townreads and 5 people who I will lynch if Skitter says so and I count myself in that 5.

Who are they? The townreads and people you’re willing to lynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

scum beard.

I have literally had 1 game with below average reads in the last year and every other game ranges from pretty good to legitimately breaking the game on day 1

[RadiantCowbells]

And again

I offer cooperation

You say that I'm bad.

[RadiantCowbells]

Townreads

RcE
Skitter
Math
Ico
Flopz
Bella
Ari

Middle
RC
Teacher

Should all die soon and preferably in this order
Saudade
Shos
Xtoxm

[RadiantCowbells]

Obviously I know I'm town but I think it's more damaging for someone in the former category to go down than me.

[MathBlade]

scum beard.

I have literally had 1 game with below average reads in the last year and every other game ranges from pretty good to legitimately breaking the game on day 1

RC mafia is like the stock market. Past performance doesn’t imply better performance here.

You’ve already been wrong on ducky and wrong on me. Yet I don’t see a major change in your reads. Can you show me what changed?

[RadiantCowbells]

Actually drop Flopz.

Actually yes it does. I'm consistent. I have super notable weaknesses but when those weaknesses don't come into play I'm a big problem for scum. Unfortunately, you have created a gamestate where I am never going to reach my full potential.

[Aristophanes]

@Ari Here is my link for shos and why hyperactivity is murder for him

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 9#p9247749

I don’t think shos is scum.

Pedit @RC you have so many townreads you only have one scumread. That’s lynch who you say and I townread Saud.

Cooperation involves discussion of saying why give and take. You aren’t. You don’t explain why my reasons are bad and others see it. Xtom even directly agreed when I asked for it in thread.

Wait I am not supposed to respond to your posts Damn that being so addicting

That's a good link and I appreciate it. I think he needs a chance to get into things before it is valid tho. He is behind and thrown into a Norman Mini that's longer than the Large Themed TM game so I really am not convinced it applies in the same way as a game that has fewer posts than some people's individual Isos in this game where he was thrown into the deep end entirely.

[RadiantCowbells]

Nothing changed because this wasn't scumreads. All those slots were lurksauce D1 and I have been slowly accumulating townreads. Now I'm at the point where I just have a PoE pool with mutual associatives and I want them dead.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like literally

I didn't really scumread Tris or Plum because they were too boring and unreadable. I just thought they were low null. Now I'm sure everyone else is town.