Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[shos]

CATCHUP TIME

[shos]

First some more thoughts from the team. This time I have the time, motivation and will to make this properly.
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Gamma dislikes the fact that RC is sheeping reads from Skitter as if he's conftown. Gamma presents a couple of options for why this can be, bottom line is that RC is scum in all of them.
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Hito is once again an admirable poster, jus saying'.

Also I wasn't offering to hammer you, I lost a vote on you somewhere.

truly I don't think I was even aware you were in the game until I read the team PT. *that* is how hard it is to replace in here >_>

@shos

Assume you’re town for a moment,

Why do you/your team think RC is town despite BoP would have been proven wrong twice from BoP.

RC has said several times he is willing to be BoP.

Is your team ignoring this?

Hito doesn't believe in BoP unless it's seveal certain individuals, which is not the case. Without previous echoes with RC he's not willing to take this.

The post that I previously didn't know which post it was is 4884:

RC do you need/want me to do anything in particular to progress things in this game or am I good to wait for things to happen and a Shos flip?

The point kinda goes awry if he knows that it's L-2 etc so you can sorta ignore this

Hito speaks in length about RC stuff dwindling. In general, the thing I take from this is that RC is probably town, because he could have secured my slot's mislynch previously without getting too much fire, and more <REASONS>, and he didn't. This is me agreeing with Hito.
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Saudade's post 4988 is a good good post

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egh there's plenty more but I'll brb

[Saudade]

Hi, shos.

[teacher]

I crashed out after date night last night, my apologies. I will get in and catch up tonight - I still want to reread shos ketchup (now x2), but I don’t like that it’s essentially a ventriloquist slot at this point.

[teacher]

Also happy cake day Ico.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think the sudden spur of Saudade attemping to be towny after I voted him and called him out is a really good sign that he's scum here.

[RadiantCowbells]

Town unifying on a mislynch doesn't put town closer to winning @Ico @MathBlade. The reasons people have presented for townreading Saudade range from nonsensical to stupid to nonexistent and yet no one is willing to vote him despite Tris being by far the scummiest slot in the playerlist and Saudade being no better. There's really no resistance to Shos, there's massive resistance to Saudade from many sources that doesn't make sense.

[RadiantCowbells]

If we mislynch Shos then I'll be lynched the next day and then scums in LyLo with no new meaningful information unless I RNG a guilty.
If Shos is scum he's still an inferior lynch to Saudade because Shos scum flip is likely to lead town in a bad direction in terms of their reads on several people, myself included.

There's a massive pool of people who basically equated Tris and Plum and I think Tris was demonstrably worse yesterday and I think Saudade is demonstrably worse today, yet no one will vote Sau.

[RadiantCowbells]

i've been reading the thread, but i feel like falling asleep, so i'm stopping mid page 17. i'll be more available tomorrow.

a couple of thoughts:
i like skitter's defense of ari. i also townread the approach he took to scumreading me. seemed like genuine sorting.
i asked some questions of math that he hasn't responded to. it would be helpful if he could.
i don't know why people didn't like duck's entrance. i did.

see you in the morning.

I don't know exactly what to make of skitter, like I mostly agree with her views on a lot of things and her reasoning is all quite *reasonable* but I don't know enough to say if that impression should give other than a null read on her right now

if that's all you get from skitter, then that means she's probably scum. I find that when she's town, she has a little extra that comes through. that said, i think i saw a bit of town early on, but i'm not sure. it will of course be more clear when i've seen her post more.

{tw ari plum xtoxm ico}

my thoughts on those at page 25:
the_worst, I liked the entrance of contrary to what others were saying.
ari hadn't come back yet, but i had that initial townlean.
plum i haven't been finding reason to townread, so i might be voting for her if that continues.
xtoxm hasn't done anything
ico. i'm not remembering all of what he was saying, but the the way he read plum was left in a rather unclear state.

Alright. I WILL be able to fully catch up a few hours from now. In the meantime does anyone have anything they want to say to me right now?

if you could talk thru how you're reading iconeum, bella, mathblade or teacher that would help me

bella hasn't left much of an impression yet. i don't know why she was scumreading skitter in her catchup. (which is all i have so far)
math i want to townread. actually i should UNVOTE: for now.
teacher seems ok so far.

ok i'm caught up but i'm falling asleep. there's alot of players that i need to look at their posts again to read, but i'm way to sleepy to do that.

things i'll say right now,

rc i'll only make effort to read if he doesn't die.
i'll trust rc and nsg so that if rc flips town, i'll accept the worst as scum. i think i'll try to sort him before then anyway.
skitter and math are clearly town.

Tris - I like the reasoning RC gave for Tris being scum, coupled with everyone else's view of it. SR.

could you explain in your own words what that reasoning is?

Xtoxm - Not much of a fan of their entrance, caused some pings in my brain. This will be completed next time.[/quote]
what did you mean by this. what were you unable to complete about your read of his very lacking iso?[/quote]

i like iconeum's iso. looks pretty natural

hmm, I don't know with RCE.

I think i want to put my vote here VOTE: flopz. still looking at a few more isos.

i'll look at plum next since that's the wagon that's growing right now

teacher - I am going to tentatively give some points to for his explanation for stating a preference to Xtoxm over Flopz wagon his morning (that statement made shortly before Flopz's new posts)

What? why would he get points for that. this seems like a weird reason to take someone off the list of possible lynches.

Like here are Tris's major reads posts. There is basically nothing here. She gives super meaningless little blurbs about everything and there's not even a sliver of true meaningful town insight.
What exactly in this iso or Saudade's gives anyone any town feels? Plum had a shitty EoD but like overall she did have some meaningful, innovative reads and said stuff that give me town feels.
Tris is just... a big blob of nothing and this kind of big blob of nothing is something that flips scum nearly all of the time, particularly combined with Sau being super scummy since he replaced in

[RadiantCowbells]

This reads significantly more like scum trying to find something to say about their reads than an actual town thought process, whereas Plum's reads and teamreads have a significant amount of depth that's completely lacking from either Saud/Tris.

[shos]

Alright continuing

This makes 4 days since you replaced in and posted anything content wise. And none of them are your reads.

I'd put you on L-1 again and not feel bad about it. If that makes you feel better about your read.

I enjoyed hitos reads and approach in their game. But his reads aren't good here.

VOTE: RC

These posts are incoherent and RCE is sketchy at best. Why does the post 5017 change the "balance" in your opinion??

@Skitter 5063: They hav been following ever since plum posted his sorries for not being able to put enough time. They are good teammates. Most of what I posted was written before I joined in, I think.
@Skitter 5075: Hito has somehow rewritten shit that they posted in the Discord so that it would be easier for Plum to paraphrase. Basically my post was a grand summary of the posts in the PT, and was focused on more recent stuff.
Also he says he is scumreading RCE because the 'for jingle' vote was horrendous especially with 2859. Do you have, like, a reason to think he is town that we are missing?

@Teacher's 5902: he says things but I'd really just rather not talk about plum's posting because anyone can have trouble IRL and it's legitimate so REDACTED
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Hito agrees with what gamma said above.

[RadiantCowbells]

The majority of why Plum is scumread as I understand it is her weird EOD but I think that a town explanation of she just really latched onto Xtoxm and believed in me exists, whereas no town explanation exists for Tris/Saudade.
And I would still say Shos should probably not go to endgame after Saudade flips scum but there's a huge difference between getting Sau right then mislynching Shos and mislynching Shos today.

[shos]

OK you know what my gf just won't stop talking and I'm losing concentration and there's still TONS that hito wrote so I'll just breeze through the thread and sum up hito later

[shos]

Sry I meant part 4
oh this is less. Hmm thought: It is very possible that scum tried to kill RC and he was protected. he did claim detective, ya know

hito thinks that such volumes are usually TvT with scums enjoying the show
Everyone agrees flopz entry to the game sucked ass butt and heels

LOL plum was annoyed that sometimes the game gets more than FOUR pages while he sleeps. hilarious, I replaced in and overnight got like 30 pages xD although it does appear plum wasted hours of sleep on this game technically that also reduces the amount of posts while she slept......

kay that's it.


In general, our team agrees much on RCE being scum, xtomx being scummy or shitty or whatever, RC being town. I currently couldn't develop a good read of Ari who hito scumreads. Flopz is also being scumread but honestly I don't remember that name at all? perhaps replaced out? Bella is scumread as well. Those will be the folks I'll be focusing on for the while along with my own ICO read which my team disagrees with me on. INTERACT WITH ME PEOPLZ

I have a VERY strong hunch this did not happen.

And I am not elaborating.

What if scum killed me?

I would ask you to consider that *strongly*

What did not happen?

[MathBlade]

RC theorized a no kill.

To catch you up for context if you’re town

Ico’s a doc who healed me I am inno

RC was being difficult and so I was trying to get him to see what was going on and I had a strong hunch he was wrong.

[RadiantCowbells]

I believe that there was a kill based on the fact that slots like Saudade's gave you freebie townreads that you really didn't need to do anything for and never really reconsidered without any indication they saw Ico crumb.

[MathBlade]

I believe that there was a kill based on the fact that slots like Saudade's gave you freebie townreads that you really didn't need to do anything for and never really reconsidered without any indication they saw Ico crumb.

I’d agree if you hadn’t outed it.

I don’t remember the order of replace ins versus events.

But I really wish you had agreed with me earlier and just started trying to gently work with me like last night.

[MathBlade]

Since I have been outed as inno it’s been difficult to figure out authenticity.
It’s mainly I am stuck in either you’re town and wrong on shos and shos Saud Ari is likely
Or you’re scum and have been fucking shit up the entire day intentionally and trying to eliminate a big supporter of your lynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

I believe that there was a kill based on the fact that slots like Saudade's gave you freebie townreads that you really didn't need to do anything for and never really reconsidered without any indication they saw Ico crumb.

I’d agree if you hadn’t outed it.

I don’t remember the order of replace ins versus events.

But I really wish you had agreed with me earlier and just started trying to gently work with me like last night.

I'm referring to long before I outed it, Saudade treated you as conftown since the moment that he subbed into the game and never really gave a reason.

[MathBlade]

I believe that there was a kill based on the fact that slots like Saudade's gave you freebie townreads that you really didn't need to do anything for and never really reconsidered without any indication they saw Ico crumb.

I’d agree if you hadn’t outed it.

I don’t remember the order of replace ins versus events.

But I really wish you had agreed with me earlier and just started trying to gently work with me like last night.

I'm referring to long before I outed it, Saudade treated you as conftown since the moment that he subbed into the game and never really gave a reason.

Imho that is incorrect. You may wish to reread. He voted me on replace in or soon after iirc.

[MathBlade]

VOTE

RC here

Then he asked me some stuff and then backed off.

Trolling I struggle with reading but bringer does similar shit to this so it seems like a reading attempt

[RadiantCowbells]

Since I have been outed as inno it’s been difficult to figure out authenticity.
It’s mainly I am stuck in either you’re town and wrong on shos and shos Saud Ari is likely
Or you’re scum and have been fucking shit up the entire day intentionally and trying to eliminate a big supporter of your lynch.

Since I have been outed as inno it’s been difficult to figure out authenticity.It’s mainly I am stuck in either you’re town and wrong on shos and shos Saud Ari is likelyOr you’re scum and have been fucking shit up the entire day intentionally and trying to eliminate a big supporter of your lynch.

I think you should also consider the possibility that I'm right! You should also ask yourself why I would shoot you as scum or why I would go after you and piss you off when I knew you were the save.
Also, if I knew for a fact that the save was real I wouldn't have, like, latched onto Ico saying something that meant that the save might not be real as an excuse to throw it away entirely.
I thought that Flopz was the actual doctor and the actual save was Skitter30: I thought this as a result of

I'm also not partial to Math thinking that he would've been the target, without being rude becuase at least he's trying to solve, his theories and timelines seem to be all over the place and it would make a lot more sense if Skitter was taken out of the equation instead.

So yes once I stopped thinking that a no-kill was likely I thought that it was way, way more likely from where I was standing that Skitter30 was the save so I pointed out what I saw as Ico admittingg to not saving you

Imho that is incorrect. You may wish to reread. He voted me on replace in or soon after iirc.

VOTE: vorkuta
starting with my rvc vote

this is not a serious vote by any stretch.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE

RC here

Then he asked me some stuff and then backed off.

Trolling I struggle with reading but bringer does similar shit to this so it seems like a reading attempt

This really, really, really isn't a serious vote in the context of reads and he never so much as posits the possibility that you could be scum. you were locktown to him the moment he replaced in.

[RadiantCowbells]

And hopefully understanding that I thought that Flopz saved Skitter helps you understand why I was just flipping shit at you calling yourself cleared and why I was treating Skitter the way I was.

[RadiantCowbells]

And yes before someone points it out I did turn on Skitter after that because I just couldn't see straight anymore etc and I thought maybe jailkeeper. still no motivation to do that as scum.