Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[RadiantCowbells]

Also if you look yesterday, when I got Skitter to vote Tris she was really, like, nervous about it and kept talking about other potential scum and asked for a prod on Tris very quickly when the wagon started getting momentum.
At no other point in this game did she seem that way about a wagon, she also IMMEDIATELY pushed Plum as SvS if Tris flipped scum.

[MathBlade]

Like Saudade's interactions with Skitter are horribly SvS indicative with how obviously he's trying to spew them -not buddies-.
Skitter threw Saudade two awful townreads, then hedged on it, then decided randomly that Saudade had to be scum with Shos to be scum (which preempts voting Saudade first), then when I explained why they made sense as scum together she decided to call him scum but still ended up taking the point of view that she was only willing to vote Math/Shos today. I have considered Aristophanes for third but I don't actually think it's spectacularly likely, but it's definitely possible.

Do you townread RCE?

[RadiantCowbells]

I absolutely think that Skitter would have been reacting to shit like the "warlocking" accusation or the general misogyny directed towards her in most situations and I think them being scumbuddies is a situation that she wouldn't.
Her talking about how she "can definitely read Sau so is glad he replaced in" but then being really unwilling to commit to a read doesn't help that viewpoint.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't know if I townread RCE or not.

[RCEnigma]

Like Saudade's interactions with Skitter are horribly SvS indicative with how obviously he's trying to spew them -not buddies-.
Skitter threw Saudade two awful townreads, then hedged on it, then decided randomly that Saudade had to be scum with Shos to be scum (which preempts voting Saudade first), then when I explained why they made sense as scum together she decided to call him scum but still ended up taking the point of view that she was only willing to vote Math/Shos today. I have considered Aristophanes for third but I don't actually think it's spectacularly likely, but it's definitely possible.

Do you townread RCE?

You got to it before me.

[MathBlade]

How? They were top tier last night IIRC?

Please top to bottom reads list again
And quote your latest when you do

I want to see what changed

[RadiantCowbells]

My PoV on the game following that scumteam logic is that the last scum could literally be anywhere taking any position because the scumteam was in a strong enough position and well distanced.
Which is, again, why I decided that it was time to commit on Saudade because if I was wrong and it was just Plum scumbuddy I should be able to see it by the way that the gamestate reacts to it.

I would actually say it's less likely that it's RCE than several other people because I don't think scum wanted to be -not on my side- at the points where RCE was originally going after me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Bluntly I want to develop my reads based on people's reaction to this gamestate, not based on the reads I already have which were all negatively influenced by the fact that I thought Skitter was the doc save for a very long time.

[MathBlade]

My PoV on the game following that scumteam logic is that the last scum could literally be anywhere taking any position because the scumteam was in a strong enough position and well distanced.
Which is, again, why I decided that it was time to commit on Saudade because if I was wrong and it was just Plum scumbuddy I should be able to see it by the way that the gamestate reacts to it.

I would actually say it's less likely that it's RCE than several other people because I don't think scum wanted to be -not on my side- at the points where RCE was originally going after me.

This is a lot of words for I don’t have any concrete reads.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not going to give reads that I don't believe in at this junction so that you'll townread me.

[RadiantCowbells]

I am resigned to being the mislynch and was since I decided to commit to this because there's no way scum are going to take this change from me lying down.

I'm just going to give the most accurate reads I can going down.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I think that it is probably in Teacher > Bella > Aristophanes

But I can't commit to that and I don't want to give a readslist that's not good enough to win the game off of as a confident readslist.

[RadiantCowbells]

Sorry cut Bella, that's a bad read.

Teacher > Aristophanes > Xtoxm ig

I have this minor gutfeel on Xtoxm but it isn't really something I believe in

[MathBlade]

@RCE

I am thinking RC Skitter Ari.

RC leaves me alive if I am wrong 99 times out of a hundred
I am a threat to Skitter as I have only seen her as town
And Ari was my only scumread

I think if Ari is town you’re dead

Can you second check me?

[RadiantCowbells]

I am never scum with Skitter and Ari because I could simply finish the Shos lynch. That's a bad read.

[RadiantCowbells]

I am never scum with Skitter and Ari because I could simply finish the Shos lynch. That's a bad read.

[RCEnigma]

Bluntly I want to develop my reads based on people's reaction to this gamestate, not based on the reads I already have which were all negatively influenced by the fact that I thought Skitter was the doc save for a very long time.

Ok. You are in the position of knowing you are the counterwagon now. How does that influence your Skitter + saudade read if you think shos was designated as a mislynch.

If saudade and Skitter are going to townread each other but oppose wagon views where is the third?

Do they take opposing views if the third is a lurker with no influence?

[MathBlade]

Incorrect I asked shos about BoP and you unvoted.

You couldn’t.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok. You are in the position of knowing you are the counterwagon now. How does that influence your Skitter + saudade read if you think shos was designated as a mislynch.

If saudade and Skitter are going to townread each other but oppose wagon views where is the third?

Do they take opposing views if the third is a lurker with no influence?

I think that Saudade is setting me up to be tomorrow's lynch so that Skitter doesn't take the fall for pushing the Shos mislynch

I think that could really point to anyone because the game plan is complete off of just the two of them. I think that the third could be a lurker with no influence, I think the third could be on the Shos wagon, I think the third could be essentially anyone. I guess Bella I shouldn't clear either and honestly I think they make a decent amount of sense as third with how hard they came into today pocketing Mathblade.

[RadiantCowbells]

Incorrect I asked shos about BoP and you unvoted.

You couldn’t.

This assumes that I as scum am thinking only of myself and not of my team.

I am perfectly fine, as scum, taking the fall for the mislynch and letting Skitter bus me and look like the manipulated townie. If I wasn't fine with that, I wouldn't have taken this approach in the first place.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like you know that I am a team player as scum who commits to an overall team strategy. This really isn't the time for me to be rocking the boat no matter who I'm scum with, including being scum with Shos.
Skitter would do fine as my scumpartner if we just lynched Shos and blamed it all on me "warlocking" her.

[RCEnigma]

@RCE

I am thinking RC Skitter Ari.

RC leaves me alive if I am wrong 99 times out of a hundred
I am a threat to Skitter as I have only seen her as town
And Ari was my only scumread

I think if Ari is town you’re dead

Can you second check me?

Idk, RC leading that team is scary but also, if I'm accurately reading Ari (ended day 1 scumreading Ari and RC) and Skitter knows I will accurately read them given time (caught as scum in PFUP and madness at Port Arthur back to back) then the only way I don't eat the nightkill is if they believe Teacher is a protective. As he's probably the only slot that would drop a save on me.

That team would have just killed Teacher off in that case.

[RadiantCowbells]

I truly think that Mathblade being the nightkill clears me. I'd have rather killed a universal townread that was less influential as scum.

I just don't think the game actually is trying to sort me as much as looking for a literal mechanical confirmation that I'm town and if that doesn't exist, I'm scum.

[Bellaphant]

How do you feel about skitter, rce?

Let's leave mechanics for a bit? It's so hard to read people arguing continually about something we literally don't know

[RCEnigma]

Actually now that I put the attempted nightkill as Math it makes Town!Ari more likely.

Math dies as the biggest advocate for Ari's death, which lessens the impact of TWs lynch. It gives RC room for not being the nightkill because of an incorrect flip on Scum!Ari. But there's wiggle room for RC to flip back to Ari because it made his initial read correct. That's an easily framed up mislynch.