Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[RadiantCowbells]

Like a solid half of my game in a paragon nominated year I at some point was called scum because my reads weren't good enough and at the end of the game it turned out my reads were, in fact, good enough.

It's really easy to sit there and judge my performance without seeing flips but there's a ton of possible scumteams where I am by far the mvp and several past there where my play is pretty good.

Be a little slower to judge my performance with only one flip, don't be an Enter in Perfect Masquerade

[skitter30]

like the things your'e hanging up on wrt me are just kinda bizarre and inexplicable and if you actually thought about them for a little bit mroe you'd realize that they don't actually make much sense and/or aren't actual reasons to scumread me

[Aristophanes]

flopz is scaring me tbh,
i kinda feel like he's had a lot of time to sort of gather thoguths and like ~play~ he's been here since mid-day1 already (like pre rc/tw i think because i remember he voted you during the ehight of your wagon in one of his first posts) and i still feel like we don't have much out of him

Yeah, it's a slot we need shit from because yes, IIRC they jumped on me opportunistically like they did Shos and it's just yuck.

[MathBlade]

You have been skimming.

yes i admitted to skimming, your point ... ?

And you never saw the word protective or bothered to look up the outed theory so you skim with context? Bull shit

I believe you’re overreadibg this interaction, regardless of skits alignment.

I don’t think so. I may be bad at explaining but Skitter failed that reaction test so hard.

She should have still been scumreading me. Unless she was already aware of the inno there’s no reason for that much of a shift.

[teacher]

@RC, I’m going to put the phone down for a bit in 10. You said you needed to speak to me. Anything in particular or just getting more takes generally (which I will do, but likely in like 4 hours)

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I want to drag quotes from perfect masquerade because that's exactly what I'm seeing unfold here.

@RC, I’m going to put the phone down for a bit in 10. You said you needed to speak to me. Anything in particular or just getting more takes generally (which I will do, but likely in like 4 hours)

I don't need anything from you.

I just want you to, like, be more? do more? idk

[skitter30]

Flopz just tonally feels like newbtown to me and I don't see any evidence that he's not. I think the "I think you're town but maybe you're fooling me" is out of his scumrange if he posted the rest of the game as scum.

Bellaphant is a lot more like ethereal but like she takes really good stances on things and her salt with me about the last day and about the mathblade push felt genuine town.

this might be a weird take but if you were scum here it would be with flopz, i think
i really just don't see newbtown there at all. i see a lot of wolfy-pop ins and convenient posts

and bella ... i just idk
i literally can't remember like any of her takes and all of her posts have kinda faded from my memeory
i just don't have a read there

[skitter30]

flopz is scaring me tbh,
i kinda feel like he's had a lot of time to sort of gather thoguths and like ~play~ he's been here since mid-day1 already (like pre rc/tw i think because i remember he voted you during the ehight of your wagon in one of his first posts) and i still feel like we don't have much out of him

Yeah, it's a slot we need shit from because yes, IIRC they jumped on me opportunistically like they did Shos and it's just yuck.

exactly, yeah

[skitter30]

You have been skimming.

yes i admitted to skimming, your point ... ?

And you never saw the word protective or bothered to look up the outed theory so you skim with context? Bull shit

I believe you’re overreadibg this interaction, regardless of skits alignment.

I don’t think so. I may be bad at explaining but Skitter failed that reaction test so hard.

She should have still been scumreading me. Unless she was already aware of the inno there’s no reason for that much of a shift.

math you're concocting a timeline that doesn't exist

[RadiantCowbells]

I have a lot more newbie experience and they feel like a town newbie significantly more than they feel like a scum newbie. I'm not sure what else I can say there because of how ephemeral the read is.

[Aristophanes]

Ari can you say what you liked about shos catxhup/posting? I feel like it’s all been purportedly hi to, which gives max flexibility and deniability to say “well, now I’ve caught up and disagree”

I also never saw the RCE thing explained

Which RCE thing was I to explain? I apologize if I missed it.

It is mostly Hito but he's put that on the backburner for now to do the thread first.

A few things. He's making the effort, which if nothing else is appreciated. He also sounded like the frustration was pretty legit when complaining about not being able to catch up and focus and I respect that.

I don't know that is makes him more towny, just that efforts form the slot are something I can work with and if he does put in the effort we need he can be properly sorted sans Plum shit.

[skitter30]

ephemeral is a good word btw
idk i feel like a play a lot of newbies and if i saw that in a newbie i don't think i'd be townreading it

[RadiantCowbells]

Do you agree with me that I have a tendency to have townreads that you don't really end up seeing and they're often on slots that look ~like~ that one? (and vice versa ofc, but)

[MathBlade]

You have been skimming.

yes i admitted to skimming, your point ... ?

And you never saw the word protective or bothered to look up the outed theory so you skim with context? Bull shit

I believe you’re overreadibg this interaction, regardless of skits alignment.

I don’t think so. I may be bad at explaining but Skitter failed that reaction test so hard.

She should have still been scumreading me. Unless she was already aware of the inno there’s no reason for that much of a shift.

math you're concocting a timeline that doesn't exist

You’re trying to deny that it does. You don’t have a logical thought process.

You are trying to do what suits you instead of what town you would know.

[RadiantCowbells]

If somehow we get Saudade, I also would ask Ico to not be on me because o happy dagger this is thy sheath there rust and let me die

[MathBlade]

If somehow we get Saudade, I also would ask Ico to not be on me because o happy dagger this is thy sheath there rust and let me die

If we lynch Saudade instead of you I am going to be one pissed off Math

[skitter30]

Do you agree with me that I have a tendency to have townreads that you don't really end up seeing and they're often on slots that look ~like~ that one? (and vice versa ofc, but)

not necessarily tbh

[teacher]

I just want you to, like, be more? do more? idk

I get you on that, but there’s a wicked combo of rl work, gamesolving conflict, thread spamming, and several empty slots getting in the way. I heavily agree w your take on Bella. But I equally heavily disagree with bth your and skitters take on math - he has a consistent mindset and direction. I need more from shos and flopz and saud and xtomx to do something with, and I think. One of the discussions are helping w that.

[RadiantCowbells]

ephemeral is a good word btw
idk i feel like a play a lot of newbies and if i saw that in a newbie i don't think i'd be townreading it

I to a massive extent shifted my vocabulary downward to make myself more ~charismatic~ in a mafiascum sense
This is really just a weird game for me because my mafiascum persona is just depleted and I'm kinda just winging it and doing my best with what I can and i'm surprised no one has called me out yet for having a weird tone because my tone is probably impossible to reconcile with either my traditional town or scum game because it's more RL me slipping through

I get you on that, but there’s a wicked combo of rl work, gamesolving conflict, thread spamming, and several empty slots getting in the way. I heavily agree w your take on Bella. But I equally heavily disagree with bth your and skitters take on math - he has a consistent mindset and direction. I need more from shos and flopz and saud and xtomx to do something with, and I think. One of the discussions are helping w that.

We're not calling Math scum. We know he's town. We're just trying to go around him.

[skitter30]

You’re trying to deny that it does. You don’t have a logical thought process.

You are trying to do what suits you instead of what town you would know.

math you're measuring up the thought process i had against things that didn't happen and findign me scummy that my thought process doesn't match the timeline that doesn't exist

i really don't know what else you want me to say beyond for the fact that you're kinda just wrong

i already explained my thought process, and what i was thinking wrt the protective thing at the time

the fact that you wanted me to take a meme post from 1000+ posts before this incident as proof that you had been protected by ico is unreasonable and silly

[RadiantCowbells]

I wish we could bet on Flopz because I have a pretty good feeling about that but yea

[teacher]

Which RCE thing was I to explain? I apologize if I missed it.

No, it’s shos who was asked to explain the RCE scumread, and never did (I don’t think)

[MathBlade]

Fuck this I am watching Critical Role.

Just fuck.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like... if they're scum they're a lot more experienced than they've let on and have successfully faked inexperience for much of the thread then bringing out super townie thought processes when they need them
I really think that their D2 interaction with me was out of a lot of players' scum ranges and I thought them being like "lol Math wasn't the NK" was really unlikely to come from scum at that level

I guess I can't argue that if you think that we're scum together but I am flipping town at some point so

[skitter30]

I to a massive extent shifted my vocabulary downward to make myself more ~charismatic~ in a mafiascum sense
This is really just a weird game for me because my mafiascum persona is just depleted and I'm kinda just winging it and doing my best with what I can and i'm surprised no one has called me out yet for having a weird tone because my tone is probably impossible to reconcile with either my traditional town or scum game because it's more RL me slipping through

yeah i vibe with both of these things
sometimes my SAT calendar word-of-the-day comes through anyways tho

and yeah your tone is weird af when compared to what i think of your town/scum games but i think on balance it comes from town!you that's upset and frustrated over scum!you tbh