White Flag - TM2020

[Espeonage]

I'll only lynch Espy if we 100% lynch gobbles tomorrow.

This is fkn terrible.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: gobble

[CheekyTeeky]

I'll only lynch Espy if we 100% lynch gobbles tomorrow.

This is fkn terrible.

Xxxx

Now lynch gobbles.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok. I am caught up. I don't think I am actually going to wall anything, I'm just going to give reads.

Town
KittyMo
Auro
Dann
Dunn
Cephrir
Hopkirk
Espeonage
Joan of Arc
DongEmpire
Formerfish
Wgeurts
NSG
Scum

You can view the Joan of Arc line as the official null line because I have no read on that slot and it is odd that others do have a read on that slot when it has two posts with no content.

Principally, the things that I am most suspect about are...

Dunn being able to extrapolate so much from a Joan of Arc vote on me. I feel like he is projecting and has entered the Death Spiral to get me killed.
NSG stating that Wgeurts was one of the three people in her town block and then not moving her vote despite having ample to time to post several more times after that fact.
Dongempire backing off Cephrir seemed like he realized he went down the wrong path trying to get people to scumread Cephrir. I also feel like Hopkirk is reaching with some of his analysis (particular when it comes to me), but he is very funny so I will townread him to keep him around longer.

I want to vote NSG because she is playing into her scum meta that I saw in Alternative 9P. I find it odd that no one else is commenting on that. It seemed like it was common knowledge across the site since other payers in that game also made that observation.

VOTE: Dongempire

Spews Cephrir town. Talks about scum NSG the most but votes Dong.

I don't know, independent of her meta tell for being scum, the fact that she left her vote on wgeurts despite naming him as one of her THREE town reads seems pretty bad coming from the Paragon.

Talks about nsg, keeps vote on Dong.

I feel like I want fish to be town rather than actually town reading him

VOTE: Fish

To be totally honest I would want NSG or Dong because I feel like Fish will at least contribute something in the future

Leaves vote on Fish.

Can we please just kill this

VOTE: NSG

So he switched from FF at this point finally voting NSG after saying:

While we are on the topic of meta, if NSG lurks she is scum. Period.

Weird thing to bring up unprompted in RVS. Which works with the scum-know-nsg-will-lurk-and-be-bussed theory. It took Gobbles over 40 pages to vote nsg after she had been lurking the whole time and after FF's wagon stalled out/Dunn interjected.

Vote Count

northsidegal - 5

(Kittymo, Cephrir, Dunnstral, Formerfish, gobbledygook)

Formerfish - 4

(BBMolla, northsidegal, Dannflor, Espeonage)

gobbledygook - 1

(Hopkirk)

Not Voting - 3

(Auro, CheekyTeeky, Dongempire)

Activity Check - All Good!

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-17 22:59:30)

To take a page from NSG and RC, kill the non-bussers first

VOTE: Cheeky

I'm pretty sure both gobbles and his buddy were on the nsg wagon. Hi BB. Note how he calls them "non-bussers"

Tl;dr - within the first 6 pages gobbles randomly brings up nsg lurk-scum meta. He has her at the bottom of his first reads list yet votes elsewhere and waits until >30 pages later to finally vote her as the 5th person on the wagon after Dunn attempts to shutdown FF wagon and it stalls. His reads indicated nsg was his top scumread throughout however he did not commit to voting her until a day or so from deadline. SOD2 gobbles starts voting for "nonbussers"

Now gobbles is not making any sense around Espeon continuing thre trend of his words/actions not lining up. I've played two games gobbles was in as town and I feel like he usually makes sense and is one to go with his gut whereas here he's quite lurky and passive, determining reads based on others rather than his own thoughts which again doesn't line up with him thinking his reads are >rand as town.

[CheekyTeeky]

Gobble you're terrible scum.

I mean lynch me so I can shit on you guy in the dead thread. If i was scum i would just go with an ESp lynch if i knew he was town. I think Dong has a better chance to be scum than esp. if you want to lynch him to test a gob/esp team that’s fine but might as well lynch me first if you all feel more certain about that

And wtf is this? Guess it worked for his buddy so why not.

Yes he could go with an Espe lynch which is exactly why his post RE: Espe AtE was so effing scummy. It was a positioning post hence his premises = scumread but his conclusion = townread.

[CheekyTeeky]

Noone said gobbles/esp was a team so he's fine lynching espe to clear himself effectively spewing espe town.

[Hopkirk]

I want to lynch gobbles but not espy tbh.

Hop 'hop-frs16' hopkirk

[gobbledygook]

Stuff it (pun intended)

VOTE: Gobbles

lol that was good

[gobbledygook]

Noone said gobbles/esp was a team so he's fine lynching espe to clear himself effectively spewing espe town.

I mean when you call a group of people scum, that’s the obvious logical conclusion that they could be scum together

[Dannflor]

Gobble, where are your reads at right now, holistically?

[Dannflor]

Gobble why are you posting elsewhere on site and not here

[gobbledygook]

Because I don’t care about this game. If I’m gonna be lynched I would rather not waste anymore time on this game
Cheeky is gonna try her hardest to get me flipped like she tried her hardest to get anyone else but NSG flipped yesterday. I’m not really in the mood for it

[Dannflor]

How about you answer the questions directed at you

If you’re town giving up is the worst possible thing you could do

[gobbledygook]

I mean giving up might be the worst possible thing for Turkey the player (and minorly for town with 3 lynches to burn), but it is definitely not the worst thing for Turkey the person.

[gobbledygook]

Like these possibilities exist
Turkey scum/esp scum
Turkey town/esp town
Turkey scum/esp town
Turkey town/esp scum

But she’s only fixated on one of those. If I am scum and esp is town, why do I not just lurk and let that happen? Esp was actively digging his own grave and pressure has only dissipated off him when I said no we should lynch Dong and now suddenly I’m scum again.

for me to be scum, I would have had to made objectively bad plays. I would have had to bus NSG pretty hard on Day 1 which is something scum DONT want to do in whiteflag. Moreover, I would have just prevented a mislynch by interjecting myself in it.

I offer cheeky a way to test her theory because my play today ONLY makes sense as Turkey scum/esp scum and suddenly now she wants to kill me. So I’m gonna let her. Let her have a big ol turkey egg on her face because endgame I will get to remind her that she tried very hard not to lynch obvscum NSG and then turned around and mislynched a town player the very next day.

[gobbledygook]

Either cheeky is bad town or she’s scum, yet this town is corralling around her and following her which makes no sense because so far her body of proof is very bad.

[gobbledygook]

So that’s why I don’t care. When the blind lead the blind, no matter how bright I turn on my flood lights, it accomplishes nothing

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Espy

bored of this

[CheekyTeeky]

Either cheeky is bad town or she’s scum, yet this town is corralling around her and following her which makes no sense because so far her body of proof is very bad.

Who is town corralling around me? I've presented my thoughts and you resort to calling me bad town is funny when you're the one giving up.

[gobbledygook]

The other people voting me?

[CheekyTeeky]

today ONLY makes sense as Turkey scum/esp scum and suddenly now she wants to kill me

What? How does Turkey/Esp only make sense? Wtf are you talking about?

[CheekyTeeky]

The other people voting me?

You mean Auro and Cephrir who didn't want Espy, Dunn or Dann? How is it them following bad town and not just choosing for themselves to vote you?

Why don't you say how my observations are false?

[CheekyTeeky]

Come on tell me why you didn't vote NSG until day end after stating if she lurks she's scum.

[gobbledygook]

I mean I did say how it was false because my play this game makes no sense as scum play

[gobbledygook]

I literally was the first one to say if she started lurking she was scum. The first person.