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Post Post #6050 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:40 am

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In post 5589, Saudade wrote:his next mood swing will be to fos RCE for challenging him this time around
In post 5005, Saudade wrote:
In post 5002, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 5000, Saudade wrote:I like how ari chooses to engage with me unlike RCE who just brushes me off "hes a troll huurr durr and if he isnt well ill get back to it laterrr"
Oh shit, it's almost like I said I wasn't reading you today. Wild.
yes ignoring content is a bit weird hmmm??
In post 5006, Saudade wrote:Unless like, you know that I'm town already and dont feel like there's much point in talking to me to begin with
In post 4988, Saudade wrote:This is so weird, like two people who were completely fine with voting RC, decided to vote WITH RC

?!
In post 5000, Saudade wrote:I like how ari chooses to engage with me unlike RCE who just brushes me off "hes a troll huurr durr and if he isnt well ill get back to it laterrr"
All of this reads like partner associatives from Saudade.

Shos randomly going after RCE from L-1 then deciding that he was no longer scumreading them anymore when he was no longer at L-1 feels like partner associatives.

RCE defending Tris all day yesterday, calling Plum scum but never voting them until the short period it looked like me/Skitter were going to combined lead in Tris/Plum where he said he was fine with voting either, then reverting to townreading both at the start of day today and simultaneously going after me and saying "burn openwolf ari" keeping both of the major wagons open. The fact that he's trying to convince scum!me that scum is in the pool of people townreading him as opposed to scumreading him. The fact that he voted Shos at L-1 in a really offputting way and then unvoted to go back onto me as soon as Shos was no longer at L-1. To me there's just so much not to like there and unlike slots like Ari where there's some awful stuff but some good stuff as well there's just... nothing in RCE's ISO that to me says this person is not likely to be scum and a lot both associatively and generally that says that he, in fact, IS.

And him going after me for "voting people who scumread me" when the wagon was himself/Saudade/Mathblade when he knows that's a towntell for me is... all kind of yikes.

Also calling out TW for getting teamreads when Ank said Plum/RCE were scumreads.

Also Tris's "hmm I don't know about RCE" is very SvS indicative, don't ask for an explanation for ye shall receive none.
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Post Post #6051 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:41 am

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Also, Shos's not calling his counterwagon (me) scum as scum was a little strange to me and the biggest ? about calling him scum but it makes a ton more sense if both of his partners are already on the wagon.
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Post Post #6052 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:42 am

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And this way, all my townreads get to be right. :]
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Post Post #6053 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:45 am

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In post 3383, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 3350, Iconeum wrote:There's no point in lynching RC today, Math. I'd want to. But there's no point.

Either he's town PR, and he dies tonight. Or he's scum, and we lynch him tomorrow.

Do you think it's better to get rid of him today?
So I'm probably not catching up fully tonight. Walking 3 miles to and from work is exhausting me.

But I do want to nip this in the bud.

This is what sets the foundation for a future narrative. Which is a world where RC doesn't die until end game because "scum are leaving him as a mislynch.".

RC never eats a nightkill this game because even as a claimed investigative his result is not credible. So it's on town to deal with. He is no longer self resolving.
In post 3665, RCEnigma wrote:I'm pushing there. I'll case it or whatever when I get the chance. Also burn openwolf Ari.
This is when we were going after Plum btw. Fine with both wagons, also pushing Me/Ari as SvS when I really don't think it made sense as a real viewpoint but it made a lot more sense from the point of view as scum who wants to have as much weight behind both potential mislynches they're pushing at the same time.
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Post Post #6054 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:50 am

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Also, RCE never was willing to consider the possibility of Math being scum today
Saudade never was willing to consider the possibility of Math being scum today.
Shos also entered and didn't say much about it but pretty handily discredited my Math scumread
Bella too I think never was willing to consider Math scum today
Xtoxm... hasn't really taken a stance on anything

Obviously Iconeum exists and has the ~inno~
Math is math

Of the remaining players
Teacher thought Math scum made more sense than me at some point.
Skitter was getting frustrated and pissed off and thought he might be scum.
Ari actually voted him at one point.
I went after Mathblade at one point.
Flopz discredited the likelihood of Math being the protect which again seems significantly likely to come from T than S in this situation.

I really think Math has the illusion that their play was obvtown and deserves to be townread because all the scum players were never considering him and is only hunting in the pool of people that went after him even thought that's the exact opposite of what's happening here.
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Post Post #6055 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:56 am

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I think there's also very few scumteam possibilities that explain why Math was the nightkill and I think that one does
RCE wanted to go after me, Tris had previously said she was going to use BoP logic on me, that's 2 of them that want to go after me
Skitter hard TR RCE who is the deepwolf carry slot of the scumteam, and even if she was going to go after Tris/Plum at some point it would be very easy to read into her play that she was going to piledrive me today
I think that team would have considered Skitter nonthreatening enough while I'm alive and the cost-benefit of killing Math and making my mislynch as open as possible to be well worth leaving myself and Skitter alive, and I put RCE as a hard enough townread anyway that they're not exactly scared of getting guiltied by me either.
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Post Post #6056 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:58 am

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The uncomfortable Xtoxm associatives imo could just as easily be borne out of 'hey this slot is gonna be a pretty easy mislynch at some point lets prime it' ig
Ari, well, I Don't really have an explanation for why his associatives ended up being so weird but I guess maybe he just looks weird this game and scum valued mislynching TW and discrediting me over lynching him.
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Post Post #6057 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:01 pm

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Anyway that's enough for today
If everyone still has him as locktown beyond consideration I'll go back to see no evil speak no evil live no evil wrt RCE but I thought someone should say this.
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Post Post #6058 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:02 pm

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And honestly I think that not a single townie besides Math thinking that I'm scum here is more likely than Mathblade as well as another town team somehow scumreading me.
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Post Post #6059 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:19 pm

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In post 6049, RCEnigma wrote:Why is RC still alive? -RCE/Jingle 2020
Because I suck at the wordy words
And I am exhausted.

And I feel so betrayed by RL I don’t have the time to devote to this.

*vote RCE for President*

Especially since everyone was townreading RCE but now all of a sudden not from RCE.

Still going to enjoy the weekend.

I may hammer if Saude gets to L-1 just to end the day but it’s a silly wagon and Saude is town.
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Post Post #6060 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:55 pm

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RC isn't this bad. I don't know if he drops that bullshit "I'm not responsible for this wagon" line if Plum is a partner though. So at least that's going for him.
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Post Post #6061 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:56 pm

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In post 6059, MathBlade wrote:Because I suck at the wordy words
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Post Post #6062 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:58 pm

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Have you committed to a read on Tris or Plum yet, RCE?
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Post Post #6063 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:00 pm

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Ok it's

-You're not reading Saudade today
-Plum isn't scum because RC is scum
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Post Post #6064 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:01 pm

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So, we can't get you to vote either of them today, but after I get lynched (if I get lynched) you keep your options open on your read on both. Gotcha.
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Post Post #6065 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:01 pm

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Anyone around to ask me questions?
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Post Post #6066 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:02 pm

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FL says this saudade wagon is dumb. The counterwagon is obvious. Also saudade specifically he says go ham.
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Post Post #6067 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:02 pm

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Town on saudade.
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Post Post #6068 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:03 pm

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In post 6060, RCEnigma wrote:RC isn't this bad. I don't know if he drops that bullshit "I'm not responsible for this wagon" line if Plum is a partner though. So at least that's going for him.
He’s always not accountable for any.

Yeah RCE can you do a readwall sans reasons? A read hierarchy I guess

Titus scumreads you and well I kinda am just placating her since she’s all RC is scum but now he’s town. He’s scum! He’s town

I am just like ooook?
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Post Post #6069 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:04 pm

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In post 6066, RCEnigma wrote:FL says this saudade wagon is dumb. The counterwagon is obvious. Also saudade specifically he says go ham.
Similar for FL too.

I wanna see where we agree and disagree
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Post Post #6070 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:05 pm

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In post 6064, RadiantCowbells wrote:So, we can't get you to vote either of them today, but after I get lynched (if I get lynched) you keep your options open on your read on both. Gotcha.
If neither are mislynches from your pov then this is an awful take.
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Post Post #6071 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:05 pm

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In post 6069, MathBlade wrote:
In post 6066, RCEnigma wrote:FL says this saudade wagon is dumb. The counterwagon is obvious. Also saudade specifically he says go ham.
Similar for FL too.

I wanna see where we agree and disagree
You'll disagree on his Ico read because he's adamant Ico is scum with RC based on play.
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Post Post #6072 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:06 pm

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In post 6070, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 6064, RadiantCowbells wrote:So, we can't get you to vote either of them today, but after I get lynched (if I get lynched) you keep your options open on your read on both. Gotcha.
If neither are mislynches from your pov then this is an awful take.
quite the opposite really. you're townread by basically everyone besides me. I have to go because I'm a massive thread, but once I'm gone you're free to bus and maintain your townread status.
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Post Post #6073 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:07 pm

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In post 6071, RCEnigma wrote:You'll disagree on his Ico read because he's adamant Ico is scum with RC based on play.
Are you just trying to say things so out there that people will assume that you're town because scum will never say them?
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Post Post #6074 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:10 pm

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In post 6071, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 6069, MathBlade wrote:
In post 6066, RCEnigma wrote:FL says this saudade wagon is dumb. The counterwagon is obvious. Also saudade specifically he says go ham.
Similar for FL too.

I wanna see where we agree and disagree
You'll disagree on his Ico read because he's adamant Ico is scum with RC based on play.
At this point I am definitely interested in all theories.

Sure it may not be something to explore this second but it may help down the line. Especially if you’re town and demonstrated so later.
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