Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[RCEnigma]

and despite me repeatedly knowing what the holes in what you're saying are from a town perspective and you correcting what you're posting after prompted by me
you aren't even slightly fazed by the fact that I am somehow predicting exactly what your team would be saying as town vs as scum before you actually say what it is

that's the point where a townie starts to wonder hmm maybe this person is actually legitimately reading me and seeing legitimate holes in my arguments. but you're scum who has to call me scum, so do your thing.

You argue in every game you play without fail. So why would arguing being a skill you have bear any weight on what alignment you rolled?

[RadiantCowbells]

[MathBlade]

See the problem I am running into is

Titus thinks RC is just dense and it’s teacher/RCE+X I forget but not Saude. She was adamant that was you doing policy. I think she wanted shos lynched.

Mainly I think it’s RC/Ari/Skitter maaaybe RC/Ari+?

But like how are you and Titus so disconnected RC?

[RCEnigma]

minute things?

the fact that you knew a player was liable to lurk because of my presence in a game and you pushed them as scum the whole game without referencing that, is that a minute thing?
the fact that you outed a read that was clearly not based on current thread activity and had to be called out on it before you started backtracking and adjusting the claim, is that a minute thing?
the fact that you claimed your entire team had a read and I had to point out "ok so why in the fuck is SS reading a game and giving a read on someone he can't read" before you backtracked, is that a minute thing?

Yes it's minute because him taking issue with you doesn't magically make him town. I can hold that read with or without that information.

Yes because SS does not constitute our whole team. So even if he said guys RC is town that's still 1 of 4 opinions. How does SS reading or not reading matter in the slightest.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think me and Titus being disconnected is like, the definition of me and Titus in the same game?? When do we ever agree on reads

Yes it's minute because him taking issue with you doesn't magically make him town. I can hold that read with or without that information.

Yes because SS does not constitute our whole team. So even if he said guys RC is town that's still 1 of 4 opinions. How does SS reading or not reading matter in the slightest.

No one said that you couldn't NOT TOWNREAD xtoxm. But your top scumread is someone who is lurking because of something you know is NAI? And you don't mention that? realllly

because you said your whole team gave a read. your whole team includes SS. myself, Jingle, and FL does not mean the same thing as my whole team.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean, I will say that I think that RCE/Teacher is actually an associative read that makes a ton of sense. I think that Teacher is town in spite of that because he has townier posts.
But I have at points in the game had that associative scumread and I can quote that if it helps you to townread me to know that I've seen at least some of the same stuff your team has seen.

[MathBlade]

I think me and Titus being disconnected is like, the definition of me and Titus in the same game?? When do we ever agree on reads

Yes it's minute because him taking issue with you doesn't magically make him town. I can hold that read with or without that information.

Yes because SS does not constitute our whole team. So even if he said guys RC is town that's still 1 of 4 opinions. How does SS reading or not reading matter in the slightest.

No one said that you couldn't NOT TOWNREAD xtoxm. But your top scumread is someone who is lurking because of something you know is NAI? And you don't mention that? realllly

because you said your whole team gave a read. your whole team includes SS. myself, Jingle, and FL does not mean the same thing as my whole team.

Gonna hard disagree there Raybells
Been saying my whole team all game even though it excludes Dr Easy Bake

[Flopz]

RCE, help out those who aren't RC right now. If you knew why Xtom was lurking (which is apparently NAI), why were you trying to push him, at least partially, based on the lurking?

[RadiantCowbells]

Gonna hard disagree there Raybells
Been saying my whole team all game even though it excludes Dr Easy Bake

Ok

I'm willing to concede on this point because I think the other two are far more incontrovertible and salient
I think the fact that I needed to call him out to have him retract the SS claim is meaningful, but it's definitely the weakest of those 3 points.

[MathBlade]

I mean, I will say that I think that RCE/Teacher is actually an associative read that makes a ton of sense. I think that Teacher is town in spite of that because he has townier posts.
But I have at points in the game had that associative scumread and I can quote that if it helps you to townread me to know that I've seen at least some of the same stuff your team has seen.

I agree on that.

Teacher would have to be scum with you if scum at all.
Otherwise no reason to bring up the jailkeeper argument to get us to try to stop feuding.

Mainly I can’t follow most of her reads they don’t make sense at all.

I was hoping you’d be able to glean something

[RadiantCowbells]

I thought Teacher's D1 was, no offense, scummy as ass but he has posted a ton of stuff on D2 that I think almost never comes from scum.

[RCEnigma]

I think me and Titus being disconnected is like, the definition of me and Titus in the same game?? When do we ever agree on reads

Yes it's minute because him taking issue with you doesn't magically make him town. I can hold that read with or without that information.

Yes because SS does not constitute our whole team. So even if he said guys RC is town that's still 1 of 4 opinions. How does SS reading or not reading matter in the slightest.

No one said that you couldn't NOT TOWNREAD xtoxm. But your top scumread is someone who is lurking because of something you know is NAI? And you don't mention that? realllly

because you said your whole team gave a read. your whole team includes SS. myself, Jingle, and FL does not mean the same thing as my whole team.

He's. Not my top scumread.

He was a scumread day 1 before RC vs TW if that's damning then whatever. It's a bunch of smoke to me. It is to you too but fight for what you have to.

If SS has no reads on the game then there isn't a need to include him. Anyway, my whole team scumreads you. So tell me how bad my reads + FLs reads +Jingles reads are.

[MathBlade]

I think me and Titus being disconnected is like, the definition of me and Titus in the same game?? When do we ever agree on reads

Yes it's minute because him taking issue with you doesn't magically make him town. I can hold that read with or without that information.

Yes because SS does not constitute our whole team. So even if he said guys RC is town that's still 1 of 4 opinions. How does SS reading or not reading matter in the slightest.

No one said that you couldn't NOT TOWNREAD xtoxm. But your top scumread is someone who is lurking because of something you know is NAI? And you don't mention that? realllly

because you said your whole team gave a read. your whole team includes SS. myself, Jingle, and FL does not mean the same thing as my whole team.

He's. Not my top scumread.

He was a scumread day 1 before RC vs TW if that's damning then whatever. It's a bunch of smoke to me. It is to you too but fight for what you have to.

If SS has no reads on the game then there isn't a need to include him. Anyway, my whole team scumreads you. So tell me how bad my reads + FLs reads +Jingles reads are.

Oooooh you has a Jingle on your team?

Interesting

How far has Jingle read to?

[RCEnigma]

RCE, help out those who aren't RC right now. If you knew why Xtom was lurking (which is apparently NAI), why were you trying to push him, at least partially, based on the lurking?

I knew he didn't want to deal with RC specifically but I don't know why he chose to detach from the game completely instead of just ignore RC.

So there is a need to determine if he's lurking as scum or as town. I can't just ask him right?

[RadiantCowbells]

he was your top scumread on D1. you put him at the bottom of your readslist and were voting him for a plurality of the day and kept shading him during RC vs TW.
if you want to get into a tizzy about whether he was your *top scumread* when you spent most of the day calling him scum for lurking which you knew was NAI, you've already lost.

If SS has no reads on the game then there isn't a need to include him. Anyway, my whole team scumreads you. So tell me how bad my reads + FLs reads +Jingles reads are.

Why would I do that though? you're just scum. why should I give you an out after I flip

[RadiantCowbells]

I knew he didn't want to deal with RC specifically but I don't know why he chose to detach from the game completely instead of just ignore RC.

So there is a need to determine if he's lurking as scum or as town. I can't just ask him right?

Guess who is on your team who would have been the one who mentioned this? Jingle, because Jingle was in Fire On The Mountain.
What did Xtoxm do in Fire On The Mountain? Lurk the entire day 1 and day 2 because he didn't want to play with me.

Jingle is fully aware of this meta, and as the only person who is aware of this meta in concrete terms, he would have told you to expect this in no uncertain terms if the topic came up.

[RCEnigma]

he was your top scumread on D1. you put him at the bottom of your readslist and were voting him for a plurality of the day and kept shading him during RC vs TW.
if you want to get into a tizzy about whether he was your *top scumread* when you spent most of the day calling him scum for lurking which you knew was NAI, you've already lost.

If SS has no reads on the game then there isn't a need to include him. Anyway, my whole team scumreads you. So tell me how bad my reads + FLs reads +Jingles reads are.

Why would I do that though? you're just scum. why should I give you an out after I flip

No one else had any interest in sorting him. So I'm not going to press on with a wagon no one even cares about.

[RadiantCowbells]

this is fire on the mountain, for anyone curious exactly where I'm drawing this meta from.

[MathBlade]

dont think shos-rc is all that likely tbh, i think rc would somehow make things look cleaner between them?
idk

@Ico I really wanna townblock RCE

i think he'd be a solid pick up for you guys

p-ed
@math

@RCE @RC

What do you both make of this?

[RadiantCowbells]

No one else had any interest in sorting him. So I'm not going to press on with a wagon no one even cares about.

but... this is what you did? you spent most of the day wagoning him. what is the point that you are trying to make?
And you weren't framing it as a sorting or getting information from him wagon, you were explicitly calling him scum and citing as evidence the fact that he's lurking / not defending himself.

[RadiantCowbells]

@RCE @RC

What do you both make of this?

I don't know what to make of it at this time. I think it is more likely right now that Xtoxm is town than scum due to outside factors.

But I know better than to scumread Xtoxm for townreading RCE when everyone else in the game seemed to be townreading RCE.

[MathBlade]

@RCE @RC

What do you both make of this?

I don't know what to make of it at this time. I think it is more likely right now that Xtoxm is town than scum due to outside factors.

But I know better than to scumread Xtoxm for townreading RCE when everyone else in the game seemed to be townreading RCE.

See my gut says you’re just attacking the townblock of me Ico and RCE.

But at the same time I don’t know if that’s because you’re scum or just way off base.

I just don’t see RCE scum here

[Flopz]

That was FLs read. I don't think it's likely but I also don't think he knows about Ico's doc claim.

so, again, it was a much earlier read that you have presented to mathblade as still relevant despite a major data point that should affect the read, as I pointed out

He saw there's a wagon on saudade, so I assume he's read some of the recent pages. I asked if he knows about the protective claim because he still scumreads ico. So idk what all he's read.

If you're adding FLs reads as a reason to scumread me then... Cool. But I don't care.

Let's operate under the assumption this was a current read, you didn't ask why he still thought that?

[RadiantCowbells]

@RCE @RC

What do you both make of this?

I don't know what to make of it at this time. I think it is more likely right now that Xtoxm is town than scum due to outside factors.

But I know better than to scumread Xtoxm for townreading RCE when everyone else in the game seemed to be townreading RCE.

See my gut says you’re just attacking the townblock of me Ico and RCE.

But at the same time I don’t know if that’s because you’re scum or just way off base.

I just don’t see RCE scum here

I think that you're not trying to read him if you don't have a problem with everything he's posted on the last few pages tbh

[RCEnigma]

dont think shos-rc is all that likely tbh, i think rc would somehow make things look cleaner between them?
idk

@Ico I really wanna townblock RCE

i think he'd be a solid pick up for you guys

p-ed
@math

@RCE @RC

What do you both make of this?

If Xtoxm let RC have his way in either of these 1v1s with him and didn't express that I never take this line as scum, it would be a scumclaim. Its why he's nulltown for me.