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Post Post #6250 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:44 pm

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In post 6249, RadiantCowbells wrote:I missed the most important part of 6245 by the way; the fact that he said that if she lynches me in a situation where she as SvS with me wants to be lynching me she is town.
Uhm...
I don’t think you read that right

He said after his town flip if Skitter doesn’t scumread you she is scum.
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Post Post #6251 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:45 pm

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Seriously RCEnigma what's your thought process behind that? Do we want to be tying ourselves together from here to endgame if we're SvS?
2 mislynches from one scum slot is plenty and Skitter is more than capable enough to get herself to endgame off of my scumflip.

Why would her going after me make her more likely to be town than if she didn't, and why is she scum in the first place when you already hard townread her ISO?
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I don’t think you read that right

He said after his town flip if Skitter doesn’t scumread you she is scum.
That's the point. Why can't Town!Skitter be hard pocketed? Why doesn't Scum!Skitter want to bus me?
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Post Post #6252 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:45 pm

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It's extremely level 0 reasoning, the kind that scum often give because it sounds good and reasonable until you actually pick it apart.
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Post Post #6253 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:47 pm

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In post 784, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 782, Xtoxm wrote:just vig him 4head
reeks of scum saving an easy lynch for later
how often do you get vigs in a mini normal
Pretty often.

Tbh just me being in the game makes the likelihood of a vig go up.
In post 785, RCEnigma wrote:Xtoxm votes would be cool.
You spoke to him then asked for votes with him. Why didn't you actually say something of substance to him when doing so? Doesn't seem like much of an olive branch (when you finally ask him to "AMA because you still think he's scum" it's literally 1000 posts later).

You went down the Xtoxm scum train a lot earlier than this too.
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Post Post #6254 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:48 pm

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In post 6251, RadiantCowbells wrote:Seriously RCEnigma what's your thought process behind that? Do we want to be tying ourselves together from here to endgame if we're SvS?
2 mislynches from one scum slot is plenty and Skitter is more than capable enough to get herself to endgame off of my scumflip.

Why would her going after me make her more likely to be town than if she didn't, and why is she scum in the first place when you already hard townread her ISO?
Uhm...
I don’t think you read that right

He said after his town flip if Skitter doesn’t scumread you she is scum.
That's the point. Why can't Town!Skitter be hard pocketed? Why doesn't Scum!Skitter want to bus me?
Math will put it together after I flip. At least confident at the moment he will.
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Post Post #6255 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:49 pm

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Good point from Flopz: The early interactions from RCEnigma to Xtoxm are purely calling him scum. He doesn't interact with him in an at all sorty manner until post 1742.
Math will put it together after I flip. At least confident at the moment he will.
Is this, like, you giving up on trying to present a thought process that makes sense?
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Post Post #6256 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:49 pm

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1737 fuck numbers are hard did my best oh well
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Post Post #6257 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:51 pm

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Well it felt good to participate but it's now almost 3 AM. Cya later chaps.
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Post Post #6258 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:51 pm

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you are getting a 10/10 from me
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Post Post #6259 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:52 pm

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eh maybe a 9/10

i want to give skitter and only skitter a 10/10 sorry
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Post Post #6260 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:52 pm

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In post 6251, RadiantCowbells wrote:Seriously RCEnigma what's your thought process behind that? Do we want to be tying ourselves together from here to endgame if we're SvS?
2 mislynches from one scum slot is plenty and Skitter is more than capable enough to get herself to endgame off of my scumflip.

Why would her going after me make her more likely to be town than if she didn't, and why is she scum in the first place when you already hard townread her ISO?
Uhm...
I don’t think you read that right

He said after his town flip if Skitter doesn’t scumread you she is scum.
That's the point. Why can't Town!Skitter be hard pocketed? Why doesn't Scum!Skitter want to bus me?
Not at all how that works considering Skitter’s content so far.

If RCE is town then I whole expect Skitter to bus you or the RC+Skitter theory is probably paydirt but in that world we flip you first every time
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Post Post #6261 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:53 pm

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In post 6253, Flopz wrote:
In post 784, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 782, Xtoxm wrote:just vig him 4head
reeks of scum saving an easy lynch for later
how often do you get vigs in a mini normal
Pretty often.

Tbh just me being in the game makes the likelihood of a vig go up.
In post 785, RCEnigma wrote:Xtoxm votes would be cool.
You spoke to him then asked for votes with him. Why didn't you actually say something of substance to him when doing so? Doesn't seem like much of an olive branch (when you finally ask him to "AMA because you still think he's scum" it's literally 1000 posts later).

You went down the Xtoxm scum train a lot earlier than this too.
Xtoxm choosing to interact with no one instead of just choosing not to interact with RC is scummy. Skitter also doesn't want to be in the game with RC but has interacted with players including RC. I didn't want to be in a game with RC but I've interacted with players including RC.

This schism makes me think Xtoxm town for the amount of attention being paid to it but with RC leading it an anti-associative in play wouldn't surprise me.
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Post Post #6262 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:55 pm

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In post 6260, MathBlade wrote:If RCE is town then I whole expect Skitter to bus you or the RC+Skitter theory is probably paydirt but in that world we flip you first every time
yes exactly. we both came to the same conclusion because it's the obvious one, skitter is going to destroy me tomorrow if we're both scum and i push a mislynch today
whereas if she's town and she's been wrong all this way into the game, why is she necessarily supposed to fix that read now?

what i want you to ask yourself is why does rce think differently? is it because he's thinking super multilevel or is it because he's just scum giving a lazy read that looks ok at first glance
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Post Post #6263 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:56 pm

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In post 6262, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 6260, MathBlade wrote:If RCE is town then I whole expect Skitter to bus you or the RC+Skitter theory is probably paydirt but in that world we flip you first every time
yes exactly. we both came to the same conclusion because it's the obvious one, skitter is going to destroy me tomorrow if we're both scum and i push a mislynch today
whereas if she's town and she's been wrong all this way into the game, why is she necessarily supposed to fix that read now?

what i want you to ask yourself is why does rce think differently? is it because he's thinking super multilevel or is it because he's just scum giving a lazy read that looks ok at first glance
I don’t follow you and I gotta go

You’re agreeing with RCE yet calling it lazy.

Sorry bro. Just don’t follow
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Post Post #6264 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:59 pm

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In post 6263, MathBlade wrote:I don’t follow you and I gotta go

You’re agreeing with RCE yet calling it lazy.

Sorry bro. Just don’t follow
i'm saying that you and i both agree that it's far more likely that scum skitter hardbusses scum rc if i push a mislynch. I think it's also reasonable that if skitter is wrongtown so far she's still wrongtown
and yet RCE casually throws out a "no no no if Skitter defends RC she's scum and if she doesn't she's town.

anyway. this is great. I'm glad that I have sold everyone on RCE scum but I actually still am way more confident on Tris/Saudade and since I'm being BoPed on this lynch I want my confident read

i just wanted people to stop townreading RCE when they shouldn't.
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Post Post #6265 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:02 pm

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{Teacher, Flopz, RC, Mathblade, Iconeum, Skitter}
{Bellaphant}
{Xtoxm, Aristophanes} -null line
{RCE}
{Shos}
{Saudade}

my present reads
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Post Post #6266 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:06 pm

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don't interpret that wrongly

bellaphant is still town like 85-90% of the time even though the tier below her is null

just that now everyone else is so confidently town that she really deserves to be below them? kinda? Idk
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Post Post #6267 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:07 pm

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i would never vote her despite her being a tier below. simply that i expect to be shat on less if i'm wrong on her than being wrong on the original 6
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Post Post #6268 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:09 pm

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i guess mathblade, despite being the save, belongs in that tier as well. but i'm not going to actually consider that because it's ~not my problem baby~
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Post Post #6269 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:14 pm

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and I think xtoxm is kinda the key to solving the game

because if he's scum that says a lot about what the scumteam is doing (it would essentially have to be like {saudade, ari, xtoxm} as I called out as a potential team before)
whereas if he's not, scum is probably just all the people calling him scum for no real reason {shos saudade rce}
maybe there's some room for {shos saudade aristophanes} as well?

maaaybe {shos saudade xtoxm} but that really doesn't feel likely based on Saudade's interactions that seem to suggest exactly 1/2 of {Ari/RCE} is his buddy

you'll note that there is 1 intersection here and that's saudade which is who I want to vote for obviously
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Post Post #6270 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:18 pm

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i'm going to be really fucking salty if shos somehow ends up being town despite just, like, not making any effort to dispel thoughts that he's SvS with Saudade. lol
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Post Post #6271 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:19 pm

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actually

ig there is a universe where shos and rce are both town but xtoxm is scum in that world

and i'm like... amazed at both of them
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Post Post #6272 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:32 pm

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Flopz, Teacher, can you join me on Saudade?
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Post Post #6273 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:33 pm

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Shos, if you're town, I would really appreciate it if you would look past your townread on Saudade and vote him because you are making this game impossible for town if you're town
In the end it's gonna be him or me and if you're townreading me you should want it to be him.
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Post Post #6274 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:34 pm

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Math, IDC if you think that I'm SvS with Saudade after he flips scum, but I do need you to vote there.

RCE is more -this shouldn't go to lylo- than -this must absolutely die today- to me.
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