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[Ankamius]

at least not strong ones

[MariaR]

Man, it's like Ank said what I said just in longer words. I think the people pushing nom who are suspect are obvious from my pov. It also makes DV look extremely bad.

[Ankamius]

Btw if nom is town, then those that had weak scumreads on me early in the game have a lot of scum equity

Because that's two early unpopular townreads I had that turned out to be correct and I could tell something was off about it but didn't have enough to go off of to investigate it better

(Although odds are it would just be EP anyways)

[nomnomnom]

How about we skip the lynching me part that would be great

If you want to theorycraft on the people that look extremely bad who pushed me, then do it now with me.

[nomnomnom]

Also this whole discussion about lynching me because other people want to despite you thinking I'm town is like really bad.

[nomnomnom]

How about this: instead of letting the gamestate warp around me over and over again, just try to deflect it away from me if you truly think I am town. I hate posturing like this.

[Firebringer]

I agree we shouldn't lynch u nom, but i think u going for just the counter just means u will be a lynch target tomorrow instead of u pushing a wagon u believe in which their flip will help discern ur alignment to those who think ur scum.

[nomnomnom]

It doesn't matter what I do I'll get lynched today either way because somehow the game warps around me over and over again because I'm one of those players that is really easy to warp the gamestate around due to my temper.

It really doesn't matter. I'm just confused and I just want to see what input I can give before I die.

[nomnomnom]

It makes me mad because as a player I am way better when the spotlight isn't on me and I can take the time to analyze discussions, I genuinely cannot read people when it's me that's on the spotlight. It's really terrible.

[Firebringer]

Btw if nom is town, then those that had weak scumreads on me early in the game have a lot of scum equity

who would that be

[Ankamius]

Like I said

Probably just EP

[Firebringer]

part of me is really agreeing with u ank about we not going to get over this nom thing but i can't help it if its just how much nom just won't just change her behavior or what.

[Ankamius]

I don't think this game is properly solvable without her flipping sadly

I think DV is disproportionately likely to flip town, DEB is disproportionately likely to flip town, and my other two strong scumreads aren't going to get traction in a gamestate like this

Idk what else to do honestly

[nomnomnom]

Perhaps vote your strongest scumreads instead of me?

Like it kind of baffles me the justification to vote me is "other people think you're scum"

[Ankamius]

When town is this disorganized, the options are kind of limited?

[DeasVail]

I guess I'm consolidating on DV VOTE: DV

I thought you thought I was scum, yet your vote on me seems so reluctant?

[nomnomnom]

It's not reluctance I'm just genuinely confused

[DeasVail]

Ank, which townreads of mine do you disagree with?

[Ankamius]

Davesaz, almost50

[Almost50]

Maria’s probably a deepwolf

If I had money for everytime that was said.

Maria’s probably a deepwolf
Maria’s probably a deepwolf
Maria’s probably a deepwolf
Maria’s probably a deepwolf
Maria’s probably a deepwolf
Maria’s probably a deepwolf

Now don't get me wrong. I'm just setting her up to become independently wealthy.

[Dr Easy Bake]

Maria’s probably a deepwolf

If I had money for everytime that was said.

Maria’s probably a deepwolf
Maria’s probably a deepwolf
Maria’s probably a deepwolf
Maria’s probably a deepwolf
Maria’s probably a deepwolf
Maria’s probably a deepwolf

Now don't get me wrong. I'm just setting her up to become independently wealthy.

Was this supposed to be a poem or are you just glitching out?

[Dr Easy Bake]

Spoiler:

ok I'm going to go a little bit into my theory on the game as a whole here because this is pretty relevant for why nom is just the best lynch today regardless of the read people have on her:

in standard algebra, you specifically try to solve for a variable so that when you put other variables into the equation, you get a certain output back; this requires filling in all other variables for a concrete answer or simplifying the equation as much as possible so it takes the least amount of effort and time to solve for specific variables; [ y = x + 1 ] compared to [ y / 2 = (x + 1) / 2 ], it's easier to calculate the first one compared to the second one because there's less calculations to make.

transferred over to mafia, assuming that the player you're trying to figure out the alignment of is Y and someone else's alignment is X, it's a good stepping stone to figure out X in order to be able to figure out Y; this makes figuring out X more valuable since it directly helps you solve for Y. in the case that there's only two variables, this technically works both ways, but generally in mafia the equivalent equations for solving alignments for players are enormously complex in comparison, so X just becomes significantly more valuable than solving Y since it helps simplify the equation.

now imagine scenarios where X appears so many times in an equation, and that it appears so many times in virtually every single equation. Suddenly solving X simplifies a significant amount of the equations necessary to solve every other alignment, which drastically simplifies the amount of assumptions needed to solve the other equations. The less assumptions needed, the more likely your assumptions are to be correct and the easier it is to backtrack and find the problem when it is wrong.

Now.

nomnomnom and her alignment has been a controversial subject for the entire game.
nomnomnom has been wagoned every single day and has been a vote leader for a significant chunk of the game.
nomnomnom's wagon has been comprised of mostly the same people.

Think of it this way:

1. nomnomnom, if scum, is a scum lynch that will revitalize the game AS WELL AS be a significant source of information to further analyze the game since her alignment flipping removes a lot of assumptions from the game
2. nomnomnom, if town, forces the players that have been pushing for her lynch all game to move on from it, which increases the odds of them giving information that will allow other players to accurately read them in the future
3. regardless of nomnomnom's alignment, virtually every single slot has held a stance on nomnomnom for the entirety of the game that can be analyzed because she has been so controversial for the entire game; but you can only assume what the motivation for those stances are because it can easily switch based on nomnomnom being town, or nomnomnom being scum.
4. nomnomnom is a direct source of tension since she is a very high profile slot in the game, and she's a proxy to tension because the reads on her are so controversial that it's causing a ripple that divides town into two halves

there's really no strong downside to a nomnomnom lynch outside of the idea that a townflip on her means we haven't had a scumflip in 3 days, which might negatively affect morale enough to not revitalize the game like I'm hoping it does. That's a risk I'm willing to take because this exact same risk is significantly amplified in literally any other slot, while it has virtually none of the upsides a nom lynch has.

this game is fucking dead and I really don't think it can be revitalized without removing nom from the game simply because it's causing this many problems in the playerlist

.

Seems like you still know what you're talking about townleader Ank. I'm still a little sheep to your shepherd.

[Dr Easy Bake]

Math thinks Dave is town and DV is scum FYI
idk about Dave but I agree on DV, I've made this clear before so it doesn't really matter I guess.

[chennisden]

Btw if nom is town, then those that had weak scumreads on me early in the game have a lot of scum equity

Because that's two early unpopular townreads I had that turned out to be correct and I could tell something was off about it but didn't have enough to go off of to investigate it better

(Although odds are it would just be EP anyways)

uh no

[chennisden]

ugh

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