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[Sujimichi]

Are you ready for me to Spare you?

[Hectic]

Are you ready for me to Spare you?

[Sujimichi]

Ok.

[popsofctown]

Spare Votecount 1.7

Hectic ----------------------------------

(5)

Chara, Nachomamma8, Replica, Hectic, Amrun

Replica --------

Asriel Dreemurr -----------------------

(1)

Chemist1422

Amrun ----------------------------------

Chara -----------------------------------

(1)

Asriel Dreemurr

Nachomamma8 ------------------------

Sujimichi ----------------------------

Chemist1422 ---------------------------

SherlockHolmes -----------------------

(1)

SherlockHolmes, Replica

alimdia ----------------------------------

Psyche -------------------------------------

Not sparing:

- (3) Sujimichi, alimdia, Psyche

Fight Votecount 1.7

Hectic ----------------------------------

Replica ----------------------------------

(1)

Chemist1422

Asriel Dreemurr -----------------------

(4)

Nachomamma8, Amrun, Sujimichi, Chara

Amrun ----------------------------------

Chara -----------------------------------

Nachomamma8 ------------------------

Sujimichi --------------------------------

Chemist1422 ---------------------------

(1)

Asriel Dreemurr

SherlockHolmes -----------------------

(2)

Hectic

alimdia ----------------------------------

(1)

SherlockHolmes

Psyche -------------------------------------

Not Fighting:

- (3) Psyche, alimdia, Replica

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Amrun was fascinated by how quickly Hectic acclimated himself to his giant snowdrake headpiece. After only a couple shaky steps, he began to mimic the way Nachomamma8 ambulates his own top heavy body, in a lurching gait that is somewhat of a strut.
"I love this idea for a game! Let's play costumes and model! Hectic is a natural model! Look at him, he was born for this!"
Hectic strutted over to Amrun and began to lightly gnaw on her shoes, even though she was wearing them. The headgear pushed against her other leg and made him fall over, so then he just rolled around on his back again and enjoyed the scraping noise he could make by wriggling his head.
"Maybe that means he wants shoes. We can make him a full costume! You want to be a star, don't you Hectic?"
Hectic wagged his tail excitedly and seemed to struggle to try to stand up again. Amrun gently used her mouth to grasp Hectic's headpiece and lift him back onto his feet.
"I present to all of you, Hectic, Heavy Headed Haberdasher, Hemmer, Hairstylist, Hipness Holistician!" Amrun exclaimed.

With eleven players alive, it takes six votes to make a decision.
(expired on 2020-01-28 22:00:00)

[SherlockHolmes]

dear everyone, my apologies for my absence

I smoked a significant amount of opium and have been comatose in my quarters

I still believe that sparing is not an optimal move for today and that a “fight” would be for the best

[Amrun]

But fight who? And why?

[Nachomamma8]

Just hopping off the plane now - I will make a concerted effort to do a solid catch-up tonight because I will have time to do so. Chemist's townreads are extraordinarily strange if he's scum - I don't think he has good reasons for calling Pine or Asriel town, but I don't see him sticking his neck out for either of them regardless of his alignment if he's scum here.

[Chemist1422]

I am extraordinarily strange as both alignments so

[alimdia]

These 2 questions are similar so I will answer them together.

Firstly,

Alimdia's thoughts recently have been very good however, and I find myself agreeing with many of them.

Does that mean you agree that I'm saying that you're sitting on the fence? Since you haven't really given reads after that either (other than voting Pine)

I don't have a strong TR on hectic, even tho he seems to be one of the few that understands what I'm saying at times. I can't give a TR just because of that. However, theres been so many people independently sparing Hectic, that if he were scum we would eventually lose anyway. I think most people's opinions are quite hard to change, so might as well spare him if everyone is going to afk and not fight.

If you think scum are trying to lurk it’s probably better to go pacifist to force them to do stuff

Why is Hectic town to you, alim?

Sparing Hectic probably works because if he's scum then we kinda deserve the loss

I didn't get the impression you townread Hectic from these posts:

Hectic

You seem to have avoided picking a side as well, other than your heal on Chemist.
By the way, I'm not sure if its alignment specific, but it's really hard to find stuff you said when they are all pictures (rip ctrl-F)
Pray tell me, what do you think of Sherlock's retaliation.
I assume your vote on Sherlock from page 43 is not relevant to his retaliation on me, but rather his stances of townhunting as you said?

I'm actually thinking for the people that are actively posting, we need to pressure Chara, Chemist to give their reads. To a lesser extent, Hectic and Nacho too.

What changed?

[Nachomamma8]

Basically refuses to answer, and then says I'm looking at him clearly because to avoid looking elsewhere
I can literally say that about anything anyone says to me. If thats scummy when I do that, then this is scummy

I don't at all understand why you interpret Sherlock's response as "refusing to answer", or why refusing to answer is such a sticking point for you in the first place.

His response was that you were transfixed with a weird question that isn't actually all that significant, which is... correct. I agree that him saying you're pushing him in order to avoid looking elsewhere isn't exactly life-changing, but I don't think it's a scummy point and don't see why you feel that it is.

[Nachomamma8]

@pops: Can we get a prod on Asriel?

[Nachomamma8]

Second, some thoughts on Chara:

I don't really vibe with this post.

1) Saying the "stop doing this" as opposed to "this is scummy" is a stylistic choice and doesn't really have anything to do with a difference in motivation, IMO. It has a slightly more aggressive edge I guess, but the point overall here seems fairly nitpicky - your in depth bit on not liking giving scumreads advice because it allows them to adjust also seems to be a much too serious interpretation.

2) Your framing of Chara's change of heart on mechanics is a bit disingenuous; Chara's mind changed because they didn't realize the impact of playing a limited flip game, which I'd argue is significantly different from "realizing townreads are wrong".

[Nachomamma8]

Pine: Pine is basically get a free pass for D1 or am I being mistaken? Nobody is pressuring Pine for afking, other than Sherlock (for a few posts only) but they are pressuring Asriel for afking.

I ended up choosing Asriel over Pine partially because of Pine's preference for scum (which is rarer than a preference for town) and because I agreed with Amrun that early vibes felt a little off. I don't think Pine's free pass is intentional on anyone's part.

[Nachomamma8]

Did you ever explain this vote?

I did. I voted Sujimichi in order to follow Amrun. I didn't have a significant read of Sujimichi myself.

Is this for afking? What about Pine?

It is mostly for AFKing, yes. Pine is another lurker and I don't yet have the ability to fight two people at once but maybe once I level up a bit that will change?

[Nachomamma8]

Chara
I feel like there is a pattern here.
Most of the posts are 'socialising/fluff? (unsure, I think there is some familiarity among the players), while the other half is once again discussion in regards to the FN sparing.

There are very few posts that are actually hunting scum. Chara has a very neutral stance it seems.

It would be a hell of a lot easier to address if I wasn't posting on phone and instead had a computer to work with, but I disagree that Chara hasn't been scumhunting or has adopted a neutral stance and think you thinking otherwise is a matter of you not reading Chara's posts closely enough.

Examples that come to mind off the top of my head as "scumhunting you're probably missing" is questioning Hectic on his Billy heal the second he dropped it or prodding Bartholomew to give his opinion on Hectic when he was initially trying to get away with just pointing out that he was a gimmick player or even going off the ranch a little with the Amrun pressure.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho and Chara are both of the other heal votes on Hectic oh good god

Well tomorrow Replica it's all you champ I'm tagging out. Probably doesn't matter but lmao

Can you rehash the bits you don't like about Chara and I? My impression was that the thrust of your read on both was mostly due to things that were misinterpreted.

[Nachomamma8]

On a separate-but-similar note: Do you still think it's useful/indicative given the level of play we've seen from Hectic?

I do think it's useful to keep the "if Hectic is scum here, this is is first significant scum game" and I think that it's useful to see that Hectic's initial scum game WAS an extremely conservative one and is a harsh difference from the play we are here. It's not the main thrust of my read - I'd still be pressing for the spare on him even if that one scum game didn't exist.

[Nachomamma8]

WILLING TO SPARE:
Hectic

FIRM TOWN:
Alimida
Replica
Sujimichi
Chemist

TOWN:
Amrun
Chara

THE REST:
Sherlock
Asriel Dreamurr
Pine



These are preliminary thoughts. If I get back at a reasonable time tomorrow/don't decide to go out on the town, I'll focus on doing a reread and see if this is how I actually feel.

[alimdia]

Chara
I feel like there is a pattern here.
Most of the posts are 'socialising/fluff? (unsure, I think there is some familiarity among the players), while the other half is once again discussion in regards to the FN sparing.

There are very few posts that are actually hunting scum. Chara has a very neutral stance it seems.

It would be a hell of a lot easier to address if I wasn't posting on phone and instead had a computer to work with, but I disagree that Chara hasn't been scumhunting or has adopted a neutral stance and think you thinking otherwise is a matter of you not reading Chara's posts closely enough.

Examples that come to mind off the top of my head as "scumhunting you're probably missing" is questioning Hectic on his Billy heal the second he dropped it or prodding Bartholomew to give his opinion on Hectic when he was initially trying to get away with just pointing out that he was a gimmick player or even going off the ranch a little with the Amrun pressure.

Well I saw those questions, but nothing happened out of them, you know?

[popsofctown]

Psyche replaces Pine effective immediately

A replacement history has been added to the opening posts of the game

[Amrun]

Do we get a deadline extension?

[popsofctown]

Like with Replica's replace-in, the deadline extension will match the gap between the post Pine was due to make and Psyche's first post (with a "hi thread" not counting).

[Psyche]

hi thread

[alimdia]

er prob will hammer the spare when Psyche makes a post or when deadline is looming

[Replica]

Will respond to everything when I get in in a bit-really happy to see people pick up the pace. Proud.