TM2020 - Large Theme - Gay Mafia IV: TOWN WIN

[Firebringer]

nom is obviously not my teammate. So we should lynch DEB. Or my other ally, which Idk who that is. I guess DV based on mass opinions of this game putting him as scum.

[Ankamius]

@Ank - are there people,pushing for DEB now who weren’t on the wagon earlier, because that’s probably scum indicative.

idk

reading this game is like trying to swim in quicksand

[Firebringer]

reading this game is like trying to swim in quicksand

good

u look cute when ur sinking

[Ankamius]

btw

V/LA until February 7

it shouldn't affect posting enough to be a problem but I can't 100% guarantee it

[Firebringer]

RC has a very important message for you all.

[Firebringer]

he wants to say ITS VERY IMPORTANT VERY VERY

[Firebringer]

okay he says that firebringer is such obv scum. And you all suck so hard for not catching him (me)

[EspressoPatronum]

Hello and welcome to GAY MAFIA IV

Playerlist:

• Ankamius - cancel food
  
• Dr Easy Bake - The Maurauders
  
• Flavor Leaf - Wild Cards
  
• davesaz - Busboy Revolution
  
• chennisden - Quick Attack
  
• panthaleon
  Vex Vience
  - Doomsday
  
• Creature
  Volxen
  - Derp Wolves
  
• MariaR - Ripple's Krazy Mistress Dunn
  
• Gammagooey - Old Hat
  
• DeasVail - The Lit Torches
  
• kuribo - The Four Horsement
  
• Firebringer
  GuyInFreezer
  - Bird That Carries You Over a Disproportionately Small Gap
  
• Elements - Team "Team" Team
  
• Volpe14 - Tea Gathering Club
  
• EspressoPatronum - Newb Kids on the Block
  
• Almost50 - You Over a Disproportionately Small Gap
  
• Farkran - DFKN
  
• nomnomnom - SubOptimal Math

Spoiler: Alive Players

• Ankamius - cancel food
  
• Dr Easy Bake - The Maurauders
  
• Flavor Leaf - Wild Cards
  
• davesaz - Busboy Revolution
  
• chennisden - Quick Attack
  
• panthaleon - Doomsday
  
• MariaR - Ripple's Krazy Mistress Dunn
  
• Gammagooey - Old Hat
  
• DeasVail - The Lit Torches
  
• kuribo - The Four Horsement
  
• Firebringer
  GuyInFreezer
  - Bird That Carries You Over a Disproportionately Small Gap
  
• EspressoPatronum - Newb Kids on the Block
  
• Almost50 - You Over a Disproportionately Small Gap
  
• nomnomnom - SubOptimal Math

Spoiler: Dead Players

• Elements - Team "Team" Team | Taron Egerton |
  Town Leading Actor
  | Modkilled D1
  
• Farkran - DFKN | Danny Elfman |
  Town Composer
  | Killed N1
  
• Creature - Derp Wolves | Ann Sarnoff |
  Survivor Movie Studio CEO
  | Lynched D2
  
• Volpe14 - Tea Gathering Club | Nicki Minaj |
  Town Leading Actress
  | Killed N2

General Rules

1) Starting and Ending States:

All roles that can communicate at Night may do during pregame. The game will end when one faction has fulfilled its win condition, unless otherwise specified.

2) Day Procedures:

Each player may discuss the game and cast a single vote at a time against people they want to lynch. Day ends when either the deadline hits or a strict majority of the votes are on one person.

3) Voting:

Votes should be in

bold

in order for them to count, for instance:

Vote: The Homosexual Agenda

. You may also use the VOTE: tags if you desire. If you wish to vote for a different player, you don't need to unvote. As long as I can tell who you're voting for, I don't care if you abbreviate someone's name when you vote them.

4) No Lynch:

As an alternative to voting for someone, you may

Vote: No Lynch

, but for it to take effect, enough players must vote No Lynch that it would be impossible to form any other majority.

5) Deadlines:

Each day will have a deadline of 14 days. Each night will last 48 hours.

6) Mass Inactivity:

In an act of pure villainy, I may shorten the deadline if I deem the activity level is unsatisfactory. You will be warned if I want you fellows to pick up the pace.

7) Deadline Lynches:

If no single player has enough votes for a lynch at the deadline, the result is No Lynch and the game proceeds to Night. Deadlines are there for a reason.

8) Twilight:

After someone receives the majority vote, everyone may still discuss the game, but votes and unvotes will not be considered - the person voted for by the majority will be lynched regardless. Twilight will last until I waltz in and post a death scene (which can be quite short, but never really long)

9) Night Length and Procedures:

The topic will be locked at Night. If your Role PM specifies that you have a Night Action, you may follow the instructions on that PM to use it. Barring extenuating circumstances, Nights will not last longer than 3 RL days.

10) Night Action Resubmission:

If you have to PM a choice to the mod (i.e. the name of someone you want to kill/protect/investigate), you may change your choice at any time during the Night by sending The Mod another PM with the new choice. The most recent choice will be honored.

11) Night Action Priority:

This game will use natural action resolution, unless otherwise stated by the mod.

12) Bolding Stuff:

Bolding something is how you get the mod to notice it. It's that simple.

13) Mod Color:

If The Mods needs to edit your post, it will be done in

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a

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. Don't impersonate me, or I'll cut off your thumbs and feed them to you.

14) Activity, Prods, and Replacements:

You will be prodded if three days have passed since your last post. You will be replaced if you do not post after another 24 hours, or if you need to be prodded three times throughout the game. If you know ahead of time that you will not be able to participate for at least 48 hours, go ahead and announce it in-thread so nobody (such as the mod) thinks you're lurking. I reserve the right to blacklist flakers or people who maliciously replace out.

15) "Last Words" for replacements:

If you request replacement, you may PM me a message that you would like to have passed on to the person who replaces you.

16) "Bah!" Posts:

If your player slot is killed off, it's probably because people don't want you around. Unless your role specifically states you can keep talking/voting/playing parcheesi with me, you are allowed one informationless "bah" post and then scram til endgame. Special mechanics can of course overlap

17) Outside Discussion:

Don't discuss this game outside of this thread with anyone unless your Role PM lets you do otherwise. Obviously, talking in your Team PT/DC is allowed as well.

18) Post Editing:

Editing or deleting posts is not allowed (and usually not possible).

19a) Mod and PM quoting:

For role PMs, If you quote it, you will be modkilled. You can send me the reformulation (I'm pretty loose with reformulation) and I will tell you if posting it is allowed or if it needs further modifications. If you quote a PM from me, you will be terminated (barring questions about rules or something).

19b) PTs and Private Communication:

If it is a moderator provided method of communication (i.e., neighbor PT, or masons who can daytalk and use Discord)

do not quote it in the thread

. Obviously, do not provide links to the PT in any way shape or form.

20) Modkills:

Breaking any of the above three rules (or flagrantly violating Rule 16) will result in you getting modkilled. Modkills can be retroactive. If a living player breaks any of these rules, the day may or may not end, depending on what would disadvantage that player's faction the most. In addition, getting modkilled results in an instant loss for that player, along with my general hatred. In short, follow the rules, don't be a dick.

21) Small/Invisible text:

You may use smaller text if it amuses you, as long as it's not meant to bypass a rule. As in, no hidden messages or shit like that. I will fuck you up for fucking with my game.

22) Win Mentality:

Play to win.

23) Policy:

Have fun. Or else. And remember, it's a game - keep it classy and don't take things personally; everyone's doing what they have to to win.

Hey almost, you're townreading nom right? I skimmed your iso a bit and saw it seemed like it was mostly from the volpe nightkill - can you explain that for me or if you've got other reasons for it lay that out for me? I'd agree that volpe isn't likely what nom-scum would want if you ignored the rest of a scumteam existing, but he was also one of the more highly townread people in the game at the time too.

Well, by tone.. by stances.. by her anger.. I mean, everything points to her being town here. I even searched her previous games and linked a scum game in our PT, and asked Ank to show me what similarities she sees in nom's play here to that game, and I don't think I got an answer from Ank.

Game I linked

Can someone please show me similarities to nom's play in that game and her play in this game?

I did a brief skim. Nom's play on the beginning of the second page of her iso looks pretty defensive (I'm assuming it's because people started questioning her reads). The defensiveness in that game looks a lot like her play today tbh. It's tough to tell exactly though, as she got vigged in that game instead of lynched.

Do you have any town games for comparison?

[EspressoPatronum]

Whups, didn't mean to quote post 0. My bad!

[nomnomnom]

My team kindly requested that you leave them some time to get some reads and help me out here.

Also I've had town games where I act "worse" than this lol

[nomnomnom]

Like if you're going to analyze my meta don't take ONE scum game and actually bother to look into other scumgames and other towngames instead of taking ONE game and confbiasing your ass off on it rofl

[EspressoPatronum]

Like if you're going to analyze my meta don't take ONE scum game and actually bother to look into other scumgames and other towngames instead of taking ONE game and confbiasing your ass off on it rofl

I mean, he asked me to look at the game and I did. I then asked for another game to compare. If you'd like to help out, please link more games instead of criticizing me.

I'm also not pushing your lynch today, so I'm not sure why you're so upset with my post.

[nomnomnom]

Idk I'm just annoyed in general

I have plenty of games you can check out idk just pick one and roll with it

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=79835 this one's a fun read and shows you how I can get as town.

My biggest gripe with this game is I feel we're letting slots get away with doing absolutely nothing, or really scummy things. It just feels like I'm getting scapegoated.

[nomnomnom]

You know what fuck it

VOTE: Panth

The more I think about this, the more it makes sense. Nobody has a good damn reason to townread here yet people were townreading Vex and then he faded into obscurity, panth replaces in, everyone ignores him. That's not normal.
Let's discuss this.

[nomnomnom]

heh TBH Ico just told me I should be wagonning DEB with you guys because it looks like he's a scum comforting in a tunnel on me.

Maybe he's right and we're letting the guy get away with too much VOTE: DEB.

[nomnomnom]

Also Ico says hi to Math and asking why you're not pulling him out of the tunnel on me

[nomnomnom]

Also it annoys me to think that Ank should be townreading the fuck out of me here yet this happens so yeah

[EspressoPatronum]

Idk I'm just annoyed in general

Fair enough... I just find toxicity extremely distasteful + I try to shut I down when I can. I'm sure some others are the same to some degree.

Maybe it'd help you if you stepped back a bit to get a fresh take on things. Forget about the wagon on you for now.

I have plenty of games you can check out idk just pick one and roll with it

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=79835 this one's a fun read and shows you how I can get as town.

Thanks for this! I'll check that out when I get the chance.

My biggest gripe with this game is I feel we're letting slots get away with [1]doing absolutely nothing, or [2]really scummy things. It just feels like [3]I'm getting scapegoated. [EP edit - numbers added]

1. I can see your first point here. Even gobble was saying that there's usually scum in the lurkers + we could consider looking there. I'm okay with working through some of the other slots first though.

2. I can't remember your stance. I know it's in your recent posts somewhere, but can you give me a TLDR?

3. Who is scapegoating you and why?

Pedit: I see you posted a bunch of stuff in the mean time. I don't feel like rewriting this in the event that you already covered something, so imma just send it anyway.

[EspressoPatronum]

You know what fuck it

VOTE: Panth

The more I think about this, the more it makes sense. Nobody has a good damn reason to townread here yet people were townreading Vex and then he faded into obscurity, panth replaces in, everyone ignores him. That's not normal.
Let's discuss this.

The panth/kuribo/MariaR hood thinks they're all-town, so that explains two reads for you right away.

I'm currently a fan of the 1 scum in the Directors (panth's hood) and 1 scum in the composer (Dave/DV) theory. I think the 1 scum in the Directors is MariaR though, which makes me townlean panth.

[Firebringer]

Also it annoys me to think that Ank should be townreading the fuck out of me here yet this happens so yeah

why

[nomnomnom]

because we've been playing many games before and that I feel like she should be townreading me considering she easily reads me town in other town games

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: nomnomnom

I need to check some things

[Ankamius]

The highest value flip for me personally is Almost50 but I don't think it pushes the game forward at all if he flips town and I end up dying

Something is still really off with this game, I feel like I've caught on to enough things that I should have a clear path for how to proceed but it's just causing even more questions

[Ankamius]

I wonder if I'm being blindsided by kuribo or firebringer by how they're handling my slot

[DeasVail]

UNVOTE: nomnomnom

I need to check some things

Is there anything in particular that is causing you doubt?