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[Wimpy]

Like even if I'm wrong on Ame he still probably needs to go for town to win (no offense)

Bird and you need to go first for town to win

[Detective Pikachu]

For someone that qq'd about a copypasta you sure give yourself a lot of leeway to act like a prick

[ObviousScum]

For someone that qq'd about a copypasta you sure give yourself a lot of leeway to act like a prick

[ObviousScum]

Wimpy's still probably town I just don't know why he decided to pick a personal fight with someone about to die, weird attitude to the game I guess

[ObviousScum]

Like I just don't think a night 2 neap gets put in a game with an ascetic goon and 2 hoodmates where 1 is a goon thus reducing chance of quasi-guilties down to 1/9

It's possible, I have seen some pretty bad normal setups. And maybe the philosophy was, "okay will this increases the likelihood of getting a single inno much higher, since most of the 8 are vts so its very likely to hit a vt. and the job of the n2 neap is just to find a single vt"

I guess it depends on what else is in the setup. Like if there's a GS on top of it, then neap's chances would be: 13 players - self - 2 hoodies (including 1 scum in this scenario); ascetic goon, goon, vig, {gs, or something else, whatever}, with ~6 vts to get innos on. So then the GS would be the main invest and the job of the neap is to get a single inno. OK I guess that's fine, but it feels like a bad setup. Setting up a role that has 6/10 chance of inno and 50/50 chance of miller on quasi-guilties just doesn't really feel like a good setup design-wise, but that's just based on what I know of the setup right now. scum neighbor + scum ascetic feels like too much wifom/defensiveness against the single investigative role that rn I know exists

[Wimpy]

For someone that qq'd about a copypasta you sure give yourself a lot of leeway to act like a prick

I’m not acting like a prick. I can start if you’d like

[Wimpy]

Wimpy's still probably town I just don't know why he decided to pick a personal fight with someone about to die, weird attitude to the game I guess

I haven’t started a personal fight with you. I haven’t made any personal attacks at you nor would I.

[ObviousScum]

I'm just going to stop responding to you I think. I don't really think you've crossed a line but I don't see anything of what we're saying to each other here helping the town

[Wimpy]

That’s fine. Your use of the C word made me immediately dislike your playstyle so we can ignore each other.

[profii]

There was a whole discussion over wimpy on day 1, I'd suggest if you feel some friction just leave it be

[Wimpy]

The blatant lie is really all I need to know OS is scum.

[ObviousScum]

I know it's a self-serving argument to say "well I think neap for scum on top of ascetic is too strong and neap for town with scum hoodie is too weak for town" but that's basically where I'm at. That being said there's several factors that could kinda reshape that view

Outside of setup spec Looker just has a slightly townie vibe to me, maybe he was just trying to pocket JT with his early posting but I feel like that sort of "ima townread this person for lulzy reasons" in a game where he's not super into the game is +rand town

Egix is trickier but with setup spec leading me to think he's town I don't really see anything in his iso that makes me think scum and the way he responded to alch's push could be town indicative

I'm still more or less okay with my townblock and I think Ame trying to lynch inside my townblock exclusively is pretty wolfy given his unwillingness to seriously engage in re-evaluation

[ObviousScum]

I guess the counter-argument is "Ame did re-evaluate because he wanted looker and egix to both vote OS" but that's not at all a natural re-evaluation to new information, I'm pretty sure town there goes "oh my entire poe is inside a hood, maybe I talk about that a little bit" but he didn't want to talk about it he wanted to push a speed-wagon and shut down conversation which is basically what I see a wolf doing when his tunnel is compromised. It felt like a scummy automatic reaction to evidence being proposed that contradicts or complicates his solve rather than a town reaction, particularly when his solve is at least partly contingent on presumed associatives

[Wimpy]

Impressively bad post there buddy

I’m not your buddy, pal

I’m disappointed nobody posted the next line.

[EeveeLution Army]

srs talk tho, suggestions for what to replace for 'c---' in the copypasta?

Idk tbh. Most people are too sensitive to cuss words for some reason.

[Wimpy]

but that's not at all a natural re-evaluation to new information,

I disagree. If he scum reads each person independently and one reveals they are a neighbor with the other two, the and I’m voting the person who claimed neighbor, the other two are automatically dropped from consideration cause there isn’t 2 scum in a neighborhood

[ObviousScum]

If he had a poe outside of the three, then yes, saying "Obum scum and I guess egix and looker town" would make sense because then he'd just move up on his list. But he refused to give a list and has insisted there was no scum outside of the three. For Ame, who is an analytic player, this is significant new information that suggests his view of the gamestate is in error and thus he needs to re-evaluate. If he was town he would process the information rather than immediately dismiss the larger implications or think about his read of his slot given the importance of associatives to his case overall

[ObviousScum]

like the dude writes a 5 paragraph essay at end of day yesterday about his solve but can't produce a list on day 2 at all? that's what I expect to see from scum that wants to powerwolf but doesn't want to sabotage their endgame, not from town solving organically

[Looker]

I have to assume that Detective Pikachu is ObviousScum's alt. Alts worry me. They surround me.

Here's a thought (going to check your iso but I'll ask anyway)
Insomnia, what are your thoughts on wimpy ?

Do you feel that either Luca Blight or Ame are town?

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• I am in a hood with Egix and ObviousScum.
  
• Where are you guys getting this setup spec material to justify your cases with "balance"? I don't like having to relinquish my opinions to others because I don't mod games.

Spoiler:

(2) ObviousScum

- Luca Blight, Wimpy

(1) profii

- Looker

(1) Ame

- ObviousScum

Not Voting (6) — EeveeLution Army, Macabre, insomnia, Ame, profii, Egix96

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

[ObviousScum]

I don't have any back ups, no. I have a town read on everyone else. Your best option would be to push for profii or Macabre. Maybe wimpy? Insomnia and Luca are more or less cleared from the Aaron wagon. Honestly you replaced into quite a tough spot. (Also thank you for doing so and putting in the effort. It would have been cool to see you play from the beginning).

@obvs I don't think it's possible for you to both flip town so the hypothetical isn't something I'm willing to work through. If one of you flips town, then Looker is scum.

383 is town because it was in the midst of an aggressive push on Aaron. It was likely Aaron was going to be lynched and I was a concensus TR at that point. ScumEV wouldn't have made that post in that situation as it would have been putting themselves unnecessarily in the spotlight.

@Somni, there's nothing about profii's posts that could have given Egix a town read. His general town vibes post is fabricated. (If I'm incorrect about Egix, then Looker would be JTBs mate since they've been fake crumbing Masons.)

#wolfing

[ObviousScum]

Yeah sorry about the slip, that was not intentional

[ObviousScum]

Where are you guys getting this setup spec material to justify your cases with "balance"? I don't like having to relinquish my opinions to others because I don't mod games.

that's mostly just me, and my setup spec is flawed anyway since I don't know whether town has two more weak PRs or one more strong PR

I just think making an all town hood with a n2 neap kinda makes sense because the neap is already so weak you want to give it a hint about who it can hit. I don't think you would punish the neap in that scenario by putting them in a scum hood. But that's an argument from what I see as being fun for the town in conjunction with a sense of balance so this isn't like a 'purely objective' perspective it's more just my take on the setup

[Ame]

+1 for nerds!

[ObviousScum]

Ame even though I think you're scum here I do think you're a cool guy and hope to see you around after this

If you want to sell me on profii scum I'm listening, like in a world where I'm wrong on you I guess I go profii/ELA?

[Wimpy]

I have to assume that Detective Pikachu is ObviousScum's alt. Alts worry me. They surround me.

Here's a thought (going to check your iso but I'll ask anyway)
Insomnia, what are your thoughts on wimpy ?

Do you feel that either Luca Blight or Ame are town?

---

• I am in a hood with Egix and ObviousScum.
  
• Where are you guys getting this setup spec material to justify your cases with "balance"? I don't like having to relinquish my opinions to others because I don't mod games.

Spoiler:

(2) ObviousScum

- Luca Blight, Wimpy

(1) profii

- Looker

(1) Ame

- ObviousScum

Not Voting (6) — EeveeLution Army, Macabre, insomnia, Ame, profii, Egix96

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

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