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[Flavor Leaf]

Fuck, I’m tinfoiling an A50/Panth team now

[Almost50]

A50 What’s Ank been saying in the neighborhood?

Nothing much of late. In fact, the hood is almost dead now.

[Almost50]

Fuck, I’m tinfoiling an A50/Panth team now

And why exactly are you still alive if I'm scum??

[nomnomnom]

Well I've been thinking of going Panth honestly. Does DEB usually sheep people I never played with him, it just seems he's sheeping ank really hard.

If there's meta about him doing this then I think Panth is a good lynch option rn

[panthaleon]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=81078

Do you mean the one other game I've played in the last year again as a favor for a friend where I got annoyed by low effort trolling and then was night killed for being obv town?

[nomnomnom]

what is this an answer to

[panthaleon]

I thought you were talking about my meta.

[nomnomnom]

reread that post one more time but that was a rapid response lol

[panthaleon]

Or maybe if I misunderstood your post, you could unambiguate your pronoun instead of being an ass about it

[nomnomnom]

?

I mention DEB just before this.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fuck, I’m tinfoiling an A50/Panth team now

And why exactly are you still alive if I'm scum??

Okay. Fair. I always second guess you when we’re town reading each other around this time.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well I've been thinking of going Panth honestly. Does DEB usually sheep people I never played with him, it just seems he's sheeping ank really hard.

If there's meta about him doing this then I think Panth is a good lynch option rn

Yeah Deb only sheeps or votes me, but late game i do expect him to be able to read me correctly.

[DeasVail]

Idk I’ve been pretty clear recently about thinking A50 is town?

You were back and forth on him all the way until the mid-late 3000s, at which point you listed him as the lowest of your townreads (so townlean?).

Did you actually read my ISO or was it more of a skim/general impression?

[EspressoPatronum]

Idk I’ve been pretty clear recently about thinking A50 is town?

You were back and forth on him all the way until the mid-late 3000s, at which point you listed him as the lowest of your townreads (so townlean?).

Did you actually read my ISO or was it more of a skim/general impression?

Kind of a mix of a skim and in-depth.

I closely read your early game. The rest of my in-depth reading was to track your reads development on people I have a strong read on.

[DeasVail]

Thanks for answering, that makes sense.

For what it’s worth the ordering on my reads lists don’t matter unless I say otherwise. Usually it’s according to where they appear on the player list or when I think of them.

[Ankamius]

I find it very cute that after I call them scum again, EP and FL spend half a page calling me scum

[Ankamius]

VOTE: EspressoPatronum

EC is on board with a50/FL/EP as scum
Dann thinks EP has the highest odds of flipping scum of the four

[DeasVail]

the current scumlist I'm working on is:

Almost50
DeasVail
EspressoPatronum
Flavor Leaf

I don't necessary think that every other slot is town (annoyingly this game is still hard enough to parse that the things I've looked for leads from has only gotten me ONE OTHER townread I can be confident on) but those four slots are the ones standing out to me the most at this point.

So essentially you think our entire town core is scum (I’ve come around on EP, and don’t really see a point of their play at all if they’re scum) + DV.

Why are you thinking there’s 4 scum?

My team and I are also confused by Ank's scum list.

Gobble says it could be scum!Ank bussing DV.

That’s what I was thinking.

That would explain why DV wagon is a big thing, but not picking up.

I don’t understand this. You have been one of the people subtly mentioning I could be scum without voting in my direction. You are a part of my wagon being ‘a big thing, but not picking up’
Are you bussing me too?

[DeasVail]

VOTE: EspressoPatronum

EC is on board with a50/FL/EP as scum
Dann thinks EP has the highest odds of flipping scum of the four

I will reevaluate my read on EP tonight.

[EspressoPatronum]

I find it very cute that after I call them scum again, EP and FL spend half a page calling me scum

Ignoring posts like 4452 won't make them go away.

Call me scum all you like, but it's pretty clear you aren't actually engaging with me in good faith. The quoted potshot above is proof of that.

[Ankamius]

if you think you can turn that into a scumcase, then by all means

[EspressoPatronum]

if you think you can turn that into a scumcase, then by all means

In addition to your disingenuous pushes on me, I present the following:

You only vote safe wagons

How about the fact that you're always pushing the lowest resistance wagons?
D1 - Elements (town), EP
D2 - volxen (3p), EP, nom
D3 - FB, DEB, EP, nom

In the current gamestate, calling any of me, FB, nom, DEB scum isn't exactly a risky move. You've been doing the same thing in past days, too. Pushing Elements, volxen, me, and nom is past days was always safe. Even your #hotake today that nom is town came after the nom wagon started losing steam. Once again, a safe move that won't rock the boat.

This game is inconsistent with your town meta

You said:

[...]
if you looked at the three games I consider my strongest performances on the site as a whole (the three I gave are only from this year), you'll see that those games basically never feature a successful scum push from me.

My strongest town games come from me shutting down town lynches and reframing the town's mind from an incorrect one to a correct one

. doing this correctly basically puts town in a position where it doesn't even matter if I'm there or not, they will be able to close out the game and scum can't do anything without outing themselves.

Please show me how your gameplay here has been reframing the town perspective when you're consistently pushing easy wagons.

Your recent play has been the exact opposite of shutting down wagons. You're the main pusher behind most of your wagons. And before you cite the gamestate as an excuse, recall that we've only gotten 1 lynch so far. Elements for modkilled, so that's not on us.

You're dodging questions

When I call you out on your scummy behaviour, you either ignore me (4452) or deflect onto your team (see below).

Gobble wants to know why Ank is voting me today when she wanted nom as the counterwagon.

If Ank is town, doesn't that make nom look worse in Ank's eyes? Where does the vote on me come from?

I've mentioned already that a lot of why I'm on you is because two of my teammates specifically scumread you (dannflor) or want you lynched today (eddie cane)

I'm personally not townreading you and afaik they aren't thinking of nom anywhere near as scummy as you, so I'm ok with being swayed by that

You can find other instances of Ank dodging my questions on a brief skim through both our ISOs.

Your votes today are scummy

Every single one of your posts today has been taking safe bets.

VOTE: Dr Easy Bake

VOTE: nomnomnom

VOTE: Firebringer

fuck it we're killing this

VOTE: nomnomnom

As an aside

VOTE: EspressoPatronum

That post wasn't town

VOTE: nomnomnom

dann smacked my brain

UNVOTE: nomnomnom

I need to check some things

VOTE: EspressoPatronum

EC is on board with a50/FL/EP as scum
Dann thinks EP has the highest odds of flipping scum of the four

With the exception of your recent town!nom take (which again, came after the wagon started losing steam), I haven't seen you shut down any of these popular wagons.

Your purported town game is one of shutting down town mislynches and reorienting the town. Your gameplay today stands in stark contrast to these goals.

[EspressoPatronum]

@Ank Feel free to ignore that wall, too. People will forget about it in a few days + you can resume your discrediting campaign.

[Ankamius]

thank you for the permission

I think I'll do that

[EspressoPatronum]

VOTE: Ank