Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

[skitter30]

Idk do u have a strong preference ?

[skitter30]

I guess a sucessful shot on rc depends on what rce will do but i just dont know

[Xtoxm]

i dont have a strong pref
you wanna risk the shot on rc thats fine
i do think theres a chance he checks you tonight in which case he would have to be the kill attempt

[skitter30]

I dont think he does tonight
I think he does tomorrow night if we kill rce tonight tho

I'm of the mind to gamble it, but i may change my mind again

xtoxm murderizes rc

For now

Is there a chance of rce being on rc?

[Xtoxm]

tbh yes
he may want to see if rc correctly claims no result

[skitter30]

Bleh idk
I dont know where rce will be and that kinda determines where to act tonight

If that's a realistic possibility than we should just go for ico

Like killing rce is the best choice for tonight but worst choice for tomorrow / long term

[skitter30]

I feel like the game is probably a wash so might as well go big and see what happens

I might change my mind again but that's what i think rn

[Xtoxm]

in general jk is the highest priority kill
leave it around and chances are high kills are not going to happen, either bc they get blocked or youre forced to start wifoming the jk
but it it still possible to win that way, whereas its not if you literally get guiltied
i dont think ico is the right choice at all (mechanically).

p-ed
agree its a wash

[Xtoxm]

yeah if rc dies and flips det, you still have a shot at endgaming. itll be long and grueling but theres a chance so i think lets try it and see.

[skitter30]

Yeah i dont think ico is a good choice here either

I think now's the chance to get rid of rce but i think doing so just directly leads to me being guiltied tomorrow night, unless we can swing the jk flip to suspicion on ico and get him lynched tom.

I think i'd be the natural detective check in that environment, which is why i'm wary

And i guess if we dont do rce tonight we just need to sort this out tomorrow night instead, it doesnt really help resolve any of this long term

And if we leave him alive the jk stuff possibly comes out tomorrow depending on how involved the rc/rce/ico/math conflict gets anyways so yeah not-nk'ing him doesnt really gain us much on that front anyways

(Again noting that i'm kinda annoyed that we find the jk n1 and we're still in this mess)

[skitter30]

Idk there's pros and cons to both sides

Rc dying is our best chance of winning but idk if we can make that happen

Rce dying means we can actually make nightkills going forward but i'm prob guiltied day4 so like

[Xtoxm]

if rce stays hidden then just keep taking shots at him
if he claims then no killing vs doc/jk combo is the most effective strategy

[Xtoxm]

nah i think this is the right call actually, chances are good rc will check u
plus all this talk reminded me of a game i won by no killing pretty much every night vs a doc+rb

[skitter30]

if rce stays hidden then just keep taking shots at him
if he claims then no killing vs doc/jk combo is the most effective strategy

Well mechanically
Dayplay wise its awful in a game like this

[skitter30]

I think rc is a high risk high reward nk but wont particularly change the status queue that much if we fail, we're losing anyways

And rce is low risk low reward and even on success our position isnt changed that much, unless we can net an ico mislynch out of it

Possibility of ico getting mislynched if rce flips jk?

[Xtoxm]

tomorrow highly unlikely i feel

[skitter30]

Meh you ok with gambling and watching the world burn if we fail ?

[Xtoxm]

we'd be counting on some kinda limited shot thing to take rc the next night
i mean, its my fault for letting you do the n1 kill
i knew it was a bad idea putting you at risk

[Xtoxm]

Meh you ok with gambling and watching the world burn if we fail ?

yep lol

[Xtoxm]

watch him flip vt
just watch

[skitter30]

Meh not your fault, it's an awful setup and we didnt realize we'd need to play against protective varients that would make our nks like impossible

With the information we had it was a pt cop / detect / possibly vig setup and none of this was relevant because we wouldnt need to plan about killing the invest 2 nights in advance

[skitter30]

watch him flip vt
just watch

Or not detective at least
Yeah its bs with a jk / protective anyways

Maybe he's just lying and there's no detect and this is wholly irrelevant

The point is if he claims it whether or not it will be believed and he is not beyind making up guilties if they suit him.

Idk he seems to think that massclaim will exonerate him so yeah

[skitter30]

Detect doesnt really make sense with the setup but then implo passed that other setup i linked earlier so like i cant rule it out based on setup spec

[skitter30]

Meh not your fault, it's an awful setup and we didnt realize we'd need to play against protective varients that would make our nks like impossible

With the information we had it was a pt cop / detect / possibly vig setup and none of this was relevant because we wouldnt need to plan about killing the invest 2 nights in advance

We made some bad decisions, sure, but the scope of the badness was not at all obvious at the time and like reasonably we had no way of knowing it would blow up in our faces this badly so like yeah

It was a bad decision in hindsight but it's a difficult situation to navigate and we didnt have the relevant information we would have needed to make the correct decision at the time

[skitter30]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah i'm nervous