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Post Post #1025 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:11 am

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Go look around the time insomnia votes. It’s for omgus. Earlier he said he needed somebody to sort Aaron and then all of a sudden he’s death tunneling Aaron cause omgus?

Looks like Scum theater. No offense to insomnia but I don’t think he’s that good of a scum hunter that he actually caught scum. He’s scum or lucky as fuck
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Post Post #1026 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:12 am

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But nobody is going to touch him so that’s fine. Just remember when we’re in lylo and he’s still alive please.
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Post Post #1027 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:12 am

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I think there's scum in the universal town reads.
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Post Post #1028 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:13 am

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In post 1025, Wimpy wrote:I don’t think he’s that good of a scum hunter that he actually caught scum.
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Post Post #1029 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:15 am

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VOTE: Looker
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Post Post #1030 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:17 am

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Bussing is too dangerous when you aren't aware of potential PRs especially in early game as later on people are going to question why he hasn't been nked. If he were going to bus, it would be later in the game or if Aaron already had some suspicion. But even Aaron's advesary has a solid town read of him at the time. The fence sitting I read as a natural progression. I did read the interaction as t v t! I only looked deeper into it cause insomnia had anticipated that and his Aaron read seemed like the kind of read that comes from genuine insight.

@insomnia why are the universal town reads excluded for Obvs but not Looker?
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Post Post #1031 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:21 am

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They aren't. I just think Looker is scummier than Obvs and still think there's scum between the high town reads. Game doesn't feel solved.
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Post Post #1032 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:21 am

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Please layout to me why 823 isn't an obvious pocket attempt. Do you think it's legitimate for Obvs to have cleared Looker based on his reasoning?
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Post Post #1033 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:24 am

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I actually really like macabres nickname system. I rarely can remember peoples names myself so i normally go by avatar anyway. It seems really cool. Though if i am roman lover i wonder why. Maybe because of army?
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Post Post #1034 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:24 am

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In post 1030, Ame wrote:Bussing is too dangerous when you aren't aware of potential PRs
and yet I have seen it done. One of the games I was in (replaced out of) when there was just a 2 man team which is even riskier, one scum bussed and rode the wave to victory.

3 man team is easier. you hard bus a partner day 1, no investigative is looking at you. everyone hard town reads you basically. (see this game)

mislynch once or twice, and if things get dicey or it looks like the 2nd guy is getting looked at hard bus the 2nd member.


Not saying that is what is happening here, but it definitely is a valid strategy which has been used many times
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Post Post #1035 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:26 am

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I think you're like...Scrutinising it to a higher degree than you should. He stated that there weren't any pocket attempts and said that Looker feels like town independently from the thread, not because there was no pocket in their masonry or whatever.
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Post Post #1036 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:27 am

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Macabre really has commitment to his particular speech. I heavily doubt its alignment indicative to either way. Idt ive seen a game with him before but i assume thats just what he does. Though sadly i cant commit to a bit that hard :<
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Post Post #1037 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:29 am

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In post 1034, Wimpy wrote:
In post 1030, Ame wrote:Bussing is too dangerous when you aren't aware of potential PRs
and yet I have seen it done. One of the games I was in (replaced out of) when there was just a 2 man team which is even riskier, one scum bussed and rode the wave to victory.

3 man team is easier. you hard bus a partner day 1, no investigative is looking at you. everyone hard town reads you basically. (see this game)

mislynch once or twice, and if things get dicey or it looks like the 2nd guy is getting looked at hard bus the 2nd member.


Not saying that is what is happening here, but it definitely is a valid strategy which has been used many times

I never trust "bus or no bus" mentality you have to figure out the motive behind the lynch and their other play. Alot of times when i bussed it had poorer foundation and was more sudden and obxious if you really read into it.
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Post Post #1038 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:32 am

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Eevee, can you give some thoughts on Looker / OS? Preferably both, if you could. I'd like to have some of your solving for posterity, because there will be a time where I will *probably* be dead here and won't be able to defend you. I know you're town, but later in the game, any push can happen.
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Post Post #1039 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:40 am

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In post 1035, insomnia wrote:I think you're like...Scrutinising it to a higher degree than you should. He stated that there weren't any pocket attempts and said that Looker feels like town independently from the thread, not because there was no pocket in their masonry or whatever.
Fair enough. How about the fact that he ignored he being confirmed to me? That's something I'd call out immediately as town. He didn't because he knows I may actually have a guilty.

Also the fact that his PoE is all town
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Post Post #1040 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:43 am

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In post 777, Wimpy wrote:though looker looks really bad given aaron's flip
Why so?
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Post Post #1041 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:46 am

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Also the setup spec as classic scum defense. He very well knows it doesn't make sense (that it's unlikely for there to be a scum neap in neighborhood), but promoting the idea makes it look like he coming from a town PoV. Literally, though no town would make that argument.
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Post Post #1042 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:55 am

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The Luca TR is also TMI. Luca's response to his copypasta is the exact sort of post I would make as scum. IC unwarranted. Obvs has shown to be too smart to make such a read.

(btw what does IC mean?)
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Post Post #1043 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:00 am

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In post 1042, Ame wrote:The Luca TR is also TMI. Luca's response to his copypasta is the exact sort of post I would make as scum. IC unwarranted. Obvs has shown to be too smart to make such a read.

(btw what does IC mean?)
IC = Innocent Child. Why are you saying it's "unwarranted" when you don't know what it means?
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Post Post #1044 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:02 am

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In post 1040, Ame wrote:
In post 777, Wimpy wrote:though looker looks really bad given aaron's flip
Why so?
I honestly don't remember what I saw yesterday, but i don't see it today so I will retract that read for now. he does look bad though from game play perspective. He didn't do anything day 1 but provide vote counts and exsist. he joined the wagon after the slip but his serious votes were reasonless and not game advancing.
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Post Post #1045 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:06 am

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TY. I understood what it meant from context, I just wasn't sure what it stood for.
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Post Post #1046 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:41 am

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I dont think a neighbourhood would have triple town. Its most like 2-1 though that could be a balancing tactic to let triple town neighbours exist for that assumption.
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Post Post #1047 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:44 am

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In post 894, Egix96 wrote:
In post 891, ObviousScum wrote:
In post 889, Egix96 wrote:In other news, I have no idea whether to believe the neapol claim or not. I ended up not seeing it until after I posted my vote and then spent 10+ minutes sat there with my head in my hands unable to decide.
okay then realize I'm town independently of the claim, you're voting me right now because you think I lied about thinking Ame's reaction to the hood claim was awful?
I thought that you were misrepping him in an effort to get gullible townies to swing the lynch the other way

Youre neighbours right? Just wanna confirm
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Post Post #1048 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:49 am

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checking the mini normal archives, games that started with 3 or more neighbors all had 1 scum in them. I feel comfortable enough with that data to roll with that theory, which is basically what I have been doing cause I think OS is definitely scum.
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Post Post #1049 (ISO) » Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:57 am

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In post 1047, EeveeLution Army wrote:Youre neighbours right? Just wanna confirm
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