Mini Normal 2115: Fin

[EeveeLution Army]

Have yall discussed anything as a group or is it like every neighbour hood/masonry ive been in and dead silence with like one line all game

[insomnia]

{Egix, profii, Luca}
{EVL, macabre}

{Wimpy}

{Ame}
{Looker, Obvious Scum}

[insomnia]

Actually, I'd like to replace EVL with profii there.

[Egix96]

Have yall discussed anything as a group or is it like every neighbour hood/masonry ive been in and dead silence with like one line all game

It's been mostly quiet in there.

[insomnia]

Yo, OS, can you explain to me how you immediately made the leap that the hood had to be all town?

[Ame]

{Ame}

Ha, I saw this coming when you mentioned uni town being scum. I thought we had a soul bond!

Ame-Looker is feasible.

OS-wimpy makes 1k more sense though!

[Luca Blight]

Haven’t fully caught up on the recent stuff, but I don’t like how Ame is prompting Macabre to claim. It feels as though Ame, on a number of occasions this game, has tried to rush through certain things needlessly which could result in negative consequences for the Town.

1) keeping Frost alive and lynching Chara instead
2) the ‘game-solve’ of OS/Egix
3) encouraging Macabre to claim on the basis that it would solve the game

If the game is so close to being solved then what is the rush exactly? It’s as though they are lulling players into a false sense of security while lining up future lynches. I also feel as though they’ve been trying to pocket Insomnia throughout the game.

[Luca Blight]

...which would explain why Insomnia was kept alive - Ame had invested in him.

[insomnia]

Okay, I think I'm here now. First, the simple approach.

@Ame / JTheophrastus Bartholomew / Luca Blight / Egix96 / profii:

Who among you is town? I don't really expect any of you to know, but it's good for managing consistency in the future. I personally have no idea.

VOTE: Luca Blight Votes keep the game moving

I think that... this vote virtually accomplishes nothing. I've notice a recurrent thing where Looker keeps on moving his vote around, all the while not having any value, really. This vote is like a semi-serious vote? I did like the last sentence though, it seemed townie.

I picked the names based off the avatars I could remember. I'm typically capable of keeping all of this stuff in my head.

VOTE: Ame Did you not like my question?

Spoiler:

personal tally, in too many games

Ame (1)

- Looker

Alchemist21 (2)

- insomnia, Macabre

Macabre (2)

- Alchemist21, Wimpy

insomnia (1)

- AaronFrost

JTheophrastus Bartholomew (3)

- profii, Egix96, Chara

profii (2)

- Ame, Luca Blight

Egix96 (1)

- JTheophrastus Bartholomew

Not Voting (1)

— EeveeLution Army

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Again, the vote. I guess what bothers me about it is that, he seems to want to put pressure on people (that is, by voting them) and it comes up as really demanding for an answer, but then, Looker just doesn't really care about the answer / doesn't really evaluate anything based on it. As we can see in the next post :

In 169 you stated that you were caught up but skimmed and would begin isoing. Later in 175 you confirmed a town read on Aaron. (1) Presumably, you went through his iso at this point, yes?

Over two new pages were produced by the time of your next post, 234. Again, 175 indicates that you were caught up with the thread up to 175, or at least with Aaron up to that point. (2) What prodded you in 234/235 to go back and review pre-175? I presume you had not yet caught up with the 2 new pages because in 237 you stated that you were unaware of Alchemist's post on the previous page. (3) Is this presumption correct?

It's just curious to me that you read back through something you had already read back through and formed a solid opinion on, while there was new content available that you had not yet caught up on.

I skim through the thread and then read back in more detail later - that is my usual habit.

For example, the recent stuff about Frost above I haven’t yet given my attention to - I’ll read back though it when I have the time and energy to do so.

I’m having a change of heart on Frost, based on his reaction to Insomnia’s pressure which comes across as appeasement. I also agree that his Insomnia SR seemed a bit faked in that he doesn’t really do anything with it and just coasts on it for a while until he is pressured into jumping off. And thirdly I agree that it looks as though he had been positioning himself to vote Profii for some time before he did so.

VOTE: Frost

@Macabre / AaronFrost / profii / Alchemist21

:

• Do you find this interaction suspicious?
  
• Do you feel that either of these players is town?

UNVOTE:

He unvoted right after Ame has posted something, which the post didn't even really have anything to do with Looker's question? And, again, he falls back to an objective stance, let's the slots he votes for do their thing, and then someone else should have some form of analysis based on something that the slots say. I guess it doesn't really add up, in terms of displaying the same mentality, it's not really consistent. His follow-through to the voting for pressure aren't really telling Looker anything about their alignment.

[ObviousScum]

Yo, OS, can you explain to me how you immediately made the leap that the hood had to be all town?

The ascetic scum + my role being a shitty and heavily gated invest. Giving another scum a proven non-vt role seems like 'a lot' to give scum unless there's another invest in the game

Still I'm open to counter-arguments that this is a standard 2-town 1-scum hood game; neap in the hood probably designed to make it a 50/50 then. That is the conventional wisdom, I just have played in games that deliberately avoided that logic because it is conventional wisdom.

[ObviousScum]

If the bird could drop the fake post restriction and make posts I can actually understand, eh I’d still want him dead. All of his posts read to me like a Shakespeare novel and I wasn’t able to read those either.

Shakespeare wrote plays, not novels. The novel as a literary form did not emerge until about a century after Shakes was rip

[ObviousScum]

A question from this crow to this sleepy boy: does the alignment of this hedgehog matter not? Is this not the exact role and circumstance where the death of this hedgehog can tell us more about their alignment than their words could? Thought!

I think flips always tell you more about a role and alignment than words can

[insomnia]

...which would explain why Insomnia was kept alive - Ame had invested in him.

I don't really care at this point, I have a reputation that I suck at scum hunting anyway. With my erratic play style and me changing reads constantly, people feel as though I can be easily persuaded or I am not an actual threat. I don't think it reads anything into that, I don't see myself as the Night 1 kill, and it does make sense. The Night 1 kill is, usually, someone that's not really committed to the thread, but that has a reputation that is preceding them as solid scum hunters. Because the protect would never be on them, it would be on me, because I lynched scum.

Unless I change my play style and play from the shadows, I will never be the Night 1 kill. But, there needs to be someone that is constantly solving and asking questions for other people to analyse, so I do have my role as well. Without players like me, good scum hunters that are lurking wouldn't exist. Because they'd have to spend their time asking questions and wouldn't have the information handed to them on a silver platter, so they'd be wasting more time gathering the information instead of inferring from it.

[ObviousScum]

Additionally, the claim of the neapolitan on part of the hedgehog could be considered a double catch on part of a criminal mind: consider the knowledge the evil ones among us had known from game start! Puzzle!

I don't follow

[ObviousScum]

Is "roman lover" implying that ela has a kinky relationship with his pokemon?

[ObviousScum]

This burger is approaching childlike levels of innocence. This crow is in c-awe of how any one person could be so innocent without it being illegal. Wonder!!!

Well I'm glad to see one townread although I feel like you're shading a lot of people without a clear hierarchy. Tbh it'd help to just have an ordered list

[Ame]

@Luca Mac is more valuable as an IC than his utility as a vig

I genuinely admire the way Insomnia plays the game and resonate with it. I also rely on a trusted townie hive mind to develop reads as I'm rarely right on my own.

I don't get how making a case on JTB-Egix is scummy!

[ObviousScum]

It really is birdman and Bart now OS.

I’m pretty confident in that solve.

Bart?

[insomnia]

Making the case isn't scummy, having the confidence you have on it I think was what he was trying to point out was scummy. If you believe you're rarely right on something, why would you display such confidence?

[ObviousScum]

Locked on profii town. Reading through Aaron (

again

) it's clear that he had a lynch profii agenda.
Locked on Luca, Insomnia
Think it's highly unlikely EV or Looker are scum
Think it's unlikely Egix is scum

Locked on Obvscum scum.
Unable to PoE Wimpy and disregarding Aaron's RVS hard Mac TR. If Mac is Vig, then wimpy is scum.

Can you link the specific posts that you don't see as s/s for aaron on profii?

[insomnia]

I'd rather lynch Looker than OS to be honest. I am not much of a good spec analyser, but it does seem like the hood was probably designed to make OS suspicious on one of the guys in the hood and force some fighting in there while scum are provided with some cover.

[insomnia]

Why are Looker and ELA cleared?

Luca / egix / looker towncore
Wimpy -- 701 more likely to come from town imo
Birb-- terrible iso but aaron's early townread looks like a transparent pocket attempt at a glance. Not fully exculpatory tho
ame -- still thinking about this


Profii / insomnia / ela

I am absent reasons to townread these three atm so if anyone wants to enlighten me I'm all ears

can you explain the shift in reads wrt looker here?

[Wimpy]

checking the mini normal archives, games that started with 3 or more neighbors all had 1 scum in them. I feel comfortable enough with that data to roll with that theory, which is basically what I have been doing cause I think OS is definitely scum.

correction. I did find 1 all town

[ObviousScum]

Bussing is too dangerous when you aren't aware of potential PRs especially in early game as later on people are going to question why he hasn't been nked. If he were going to bus, it would be later in the game or if Aaron already had some suspicion. But even Aaron's advesary has a solid town read of him at the time. The fence sitting I read as a natural progression. I did read the interaction as t v t! I only looked deeper into it cause insomnia had anticipated that and his Aaron read seemed like the kind of read that comes from genuine insight.

@insomnia why are the universal town reads excluded for Obvs but not Looker?

That may be your reasoning but insomnia has hard bussed day 1 before. Then again he didn't win that game so no idea if he'd be in the mood to do it again. I'm not particularly scumreading somnia anyway but that's a ~meh~ reason to locktown him.

[insomnia]

Yeah I fucking missed the mirror thing motion detector claim

and I would've gotten away with it

god damn it