Micro 918: Doggos Among Us [TOWN WIN]!

[Hectic]

I actually think your first post is quite scum-indicative tbh. But I'm waiting to see if anyone else sees what I'm seeing.

[Hectic]

I am ready to get out of shitpost phase bc I want to know why you have adopted spinning a narrative of scum won't hammer.

Bc realistically, until deadline if town doesn't hammer then we can't lose bc scum have to sac one of their own. So really it's town that should be refusing to hammer.

This is partly it, but not completely.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I am ready to get out of shitpost phase bc I want to know why you have adopted spinning a narrative of scum won't hammer.

Bc realistically, until deadline if town doesn't hammer then we can't lose bc scum have to sac one of their own. So really it's town that should be refusing to hammer.

Alright. You’re probably correct.
What? Did you think i’d take my own BS seriously?

[Espeonage]

Short answer, yes.

[Hectic]

@me

[Espeonage]

How fucking dare you

[NorwegianboyEE]

I actually think your first post is quite scum-indicative tbh. But I'm waiting to see if anyone else sees what I'm seeing.

I ain’t seeing it chief. And if i don’t know myself then who can we really trust to be able to properly see whatever it is you’re seeing?

[Hectic]

How fucking dare you

[Hectic]

I ain’t seeing it chief. And if i don’t know myself then who can we really trust to be able to properly see whatever it is you’re seeing?

I think we know each other better than we know ourselves at this point, Norwee. I'd trust your read on me more than I'd trust my own role PM, and I'd expect the same from you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Only scum use caps lock.
:0

[NorwegianboyEE]

Really though Hectic, i’m going to need you to tell me why my shitposting was alignment indicative to you. Because i have the feeling it’s going to be a critical factor in my read of you and the reason you’re keeping up this push.

[Hectic]

I'M WILLING TO HAMMER! DO YOU HEAR THAT? I AM WILLING TO HAMMER!!

Fine, I'll explain:
Town come in with a mindset of being afraid to hammer, since if they hammer town, they lose. They want scum to hammer for insurance, basically.
Scum come in with a mindset of wanting to show they're not afraid of hammering, and that's gonna be the main thing on their mind, considering the day 1 hammer rule affecting them.
So the fact you chose to shitpost about that specifically in your first post is scum-indicative, since it's something which will be on scum's mind more often than town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You’re making it sound like you think i play with a motive in mind when i roll scum. As opposed to just coasting. Come on now. I read on the rules that if scum hammers on day 1 they die. So i started joking about it. That’s the problem with everyone who scumreads me, they think i have some kind of master galaxy mind motive with my play. When really i’m just being me.

[clidd]

Good evening, i was reading the setup specifications and thinking about how my approach would be in this match, especially with the established peculiarities about the absence of the night phase, and the premature mechanical death attributed to mafia, in case of an incorrect lynch. This, of course, creates space for unusual strategies more focused on morning turnover. With that thought in mind, i understood the first post 4 as a message with three possible interpretations:

1-

Random joke

,

2-

Instinctive statement

,

3-

Divergence of attention

, where his partners receive a window to ''safe'' vote, drastically reducing the possibility of them falling under the ''mechanical death hammer'', which appears to be more likely, compared to other possibilities. This basically implies that are 2/3 potential scums in

Dsjstr

,

Hectic

and

Espeonage

, in theory. But would everyone outside the wagon share the same indecision ? Is it plausible ?

Also, i would like to discuss this paragraph that I found in

Mini Normal 2098

, post

41

, referring to

NorwegianboyEE

:

It’s cool, i’m a bit of a kamikaze town so i don’t really spend too much time attempting to clear myself as i do trying to attack others i perceive as scum. When i’m scum it’s ironically the opposite, where i do all i can to avoid being seen as suspicious and trying to stay on the good side of the town.

(https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=80889)

What do you guys think of this statement ?

[clidd]

I have little experience on the forum, so if something sounds absurd, i'm open to corrections.

[Hectic]

You’re making it sound like you think i play with a motive in mind when i roll scum. As opposed to just coasting. Come on now. I read on the rules that if scum hammers on day 1 they die. So i started joking about it. That’s the problem with everyone who scumreads me, they think i have some kind of master galaxy mind motive with my play. When really i’m just being me.

I'm not saying you did it with a plan in mind. I just think the joke itself is more likely to come from scum because of the subconscious mindsets I explained earlier.

[Hectic]

Good evening, i was reading the setup specifications and thinking about how my approach would be in this match, especially with the established peculiarities about the absence of the night phase, and the premature mechanical death attributed to mafia, in case of an incorrect lynch. This, of course, creates space for unusual strategies more focused on morning turnover. With that thought in mind, i understood the first post 4 as a message with three possible interpretations:

1-

Random joke

,

2-

Instinctive statement

,

3-

Divergence of attention

, where his partners receive a window to ''safe'' vote, drastically reducing the possibility of them falling under the ''mechanical death hammer'', which appears to be more likely, compared to other possibilities. This basically implies that are 2/3 potential scums in

Dsjstr

,

Hectic

and

Espeonage

, in theory. But would everyone outside the wagon share the same indecision ? Is it plausible ?

Also, i would like to discuss this paragraph that I found in

Mini Normal 2098

, post

41

, referring to

NorwegianboyEE

:

It’s cool, i’m a bit of a kamikaze town so i don’t really spend too much time attempting to clear myself as i do trying to attack others i perceive as scum. When i’m scum it’s ironically the opposite, where i do all i can to avoid being seen as suspicious and trying to stay on the good side of the town.

(https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=80889)

What do you guys think of this statement ?

Lul, now

this

is a galaxy brain play. You're suggesting Norwee is a traitor signalling to his other traitor to vote him early so as to avoid being the hammer? I think the main problem with your theory is that you're assuming we're not going to leash the hammers, so the order of the votes on Norwee right now are irrelevant. I'm assuming we're going to try and discuss who we want the hammerer to be just as much as who we want the lynchee to be.

The self-meta from Norwee there is interesting; how did you come across it?

[Hectic]

Also, why do you think scum would go for the strategy of town hammering scum from the get go? They could potentially win today if town hammers town.

[clidd]

Good evening, i was reading the setup specifications and thinking about how my approach would be in this match, especially with the established peculiarities about the absence of the night phase, and the premature mechanical death attributed to mafia, in case of an incorrect lynch. This, of course, creates space for unusual strategies more focused on morning turnover. With that thought in mind, i understood the first post 4 as a message with three possible interpretations:

1-

Random joke

,

2-

Instinctive statement

,

3-

Divergence of attention

, where his partners receive a window to ''safe'' vote, drastically reducing the possibility of them falling under the ''mechanical death hammer'', which appears to be more likely, compared to other possibilities. This basically implies that are 2/3 potential scums in

Dsjstr

,

Hectic

and

Espeonage

, in theory. But would everyone outside the wagon share the same indecision ? Is it plausible ?

Also, i would like to discuss this paragraph that I found in

Mini Normal 2098

, post

41

, referring to

NorwegianboyEE

:

It’s cool, i’m a bit of a kamikaze town so i don’t really spend too much time attempting to clear myself as i do trying to attack others i perceive as scum. When i’m scum it’s ironically the opposite, where i do all i can to avoid being seen as suspicious and trying to stay on the good side of the town.

(https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=80889)

What do you guys think of this statement ?

Lul, now

this

is a galaxy brain play. You're suggesting Norwee is a traitor signalling to his other traitor to vote him early so as to avoid being the hammer? I think the main problem with your theory is that you're assuming we're not going to leash the hammers, so the order of the votes on Norwee right now are irrelevant. I'm assuming we're going to try and discuss who we want the hammerer to be just as much as who we want the lynchee to be.

The self-meta from Norwee there is interesting; how did you come across it?

I thought of a possible scenario for a self-hammer and then wondered what the conditions would be for it to work correctly for both alignments. In this case, in my view, it is more likely to be used by scum than town, what made me formulate the theory above based on that initial read. There is a margin of imprecision, if im wrong about the first impression, that's why i would like to discuss this further.

[clidd]

Also, why do you think scum would go for the strategy of town hammering scum from the get go? They could potentially win today if town hammers town.

I believe it would be due to a healthier late game, where his partners, for pulling a wagon in a scum early, would have greater credibility as the game progressed. They would rely on the fact that, judging the natural disadvantage of losing a partner early in the game, there would be no logic for them to do. Evidently,

wifom

.

[dsjstr]

Also, why do you think scum would go for the strategy of town hammering scum from the get go? They could potentially win today if town hammers town.

I believe it would be due to a healthier late game, where his partners, for pulling a wagon in a scum early, would have greater credibility as the game progressed. They would rely on the fact that, judging the natural disadvantage of losing a partner early in the game, there would be no logic for them to do. Evidently,

wifom

.

I disagree, if a town member lynches a wolf today then they are confirmed to be town. That is the only time we can 100% confirm anyone in the game. That would be a huge disadvantage for the wolves late game. Thinking more about it we should never have someone at L-1 for D1 because if we are on a wolf they will just lynch themselves so we can't get that conformation.
UNVOTE:

[clidd]

Also, why do you think scum would go for the strategy of town hammering scum from the get go? They could potentially win today if town hammers town.

I believe it would be due to a healthier late game, where his partners, for pulling a wagon in a scum early, would have greater credibility as the game progressed. They would rely on the fact that, judging the natural disadvantage of losing a partner early in the game, there would be no logic for them to do. Evidently,

wifom

.

I disagree, if a town member lynches a wolf today then they are confirmed to be town. That is the only time we can 100% confirm anyone in the game. That would be a huge disadvantage for the wolves late game. Thinking more about it we should never have someone at L-1 for D1 because if we are on a wolf they will just lynch themselves so we can't get that conformation.
UNVOTE:

Actually, i don't think a hammer here would confirm anyone as town, unless my theory about two scums already in the wagon is correct. In another scenario, hypothetically, considering wolf didn't die if he hammers partner, only town, they can bluff easily.

[clidd]

But i agree about the unvote, we have time to talk before engaging in the voting phase.

[dsjstr]

To my understanding for D1 if a wolf hammers then they die even if they are hammering a wolf, I meant that if someone hammers D1 and they don't die they have to be town. Am I understanding the rule correctly?

[AaronFrost]

realistically, until deadline if town doesn't hammer then we can't lose bc scum have to sac one of their own. So really it's town that should be refusing to hammer.

Unless one of the traitors accidentally hammer the other traitor then this game is perpetually in lylo so I don't think scum would mind sacrificing someone if they only need one mislynch all game.

Hectic are you thinking that Norwee is one of the traitor wolves who's signaling to the other traitor? Because that was my first thought when I read his opening post.