Mini Normal 2115: Fin

[Wimpy]

That wasnt my question

Well sort of is. I can name 82 antitown things. I doubt you can name 82 so I guess my answer is yes

[insomnia]

That's fine, but try and focus on what other people think as well. Your tunnel here is being ignored because nobody is considering Macabre right now. He could be scum, you could be right, but right now, you don't have any case on him and have sat on him since day one.

[Wimpy]

You’re being anti town cause you aren’t reading my posts and for falsely accusing me of being anti town for pushing who I think is scum.

[insomnia]

I only asked for your attention to be spread, rather than narrowed for the rest of the game on a potential town. I have asked one question, didn't ask you to change your read, simply asked to state your opinion.

[Wimpy]

That's fine, but try and focus on what other people think as well. Your tunnel here is being ignored because nobody is considering Macabre right now. He could be scum, you could be right, but right now, you don't have any case on him and have sat on him since day one.

so people can ignore me but I am anti-town for ignoring the looker/ame talks?

get lost dude.

YOU are antitown not me. so please stfu

I am only voting macabre or OS today cause those are my solves. Right or wrong, that's what i got. Ame isn't even close to my lynch pool and I removed looker cause i can't find what I was looking for.

OS makes more sense as scum than looker every day of the week.

and now I am going to ignore you cause you're making me angry and nobody likes it when i'm angry.

[Wimpy]

I only asked for your attention to be spread, rather than narrowed for the rest of the game on a potential town. I have asked one question, didn't ask you to change your read, simply asked to state your opinion.

nah b, you accused me of being anti town for wanting my scum reads lynched. Get lost. don't talk to me anymore.

[Ame]

I'd rather lynch Looker than OS to be honest. I am not much of a good spec analyser, but it does seem like the hood was probably designed to make OS suspicious on one of the guys in the hood and force some fighting in there while scum are provided with some cover.

This is silly. Pandering.

Bussing is too dangerous when you aren't aware of potential PRs especially in early game as later on people are going to question why he hasn't been nked. If he were going to bus, it would be later in the game or if Aaron already had some suspicion. But even Aaron's advesary has a solid town read of him at the time. The fence sitting I read as a natural progression. I did read the interaction as t v t! I only looked deeper into it cause insomnia had anticipated that and his Aaron read seemed like the kind of read that comes from genuine insight.

@insomnia why are the universal town reads excluded for Obvs but not Looker?

That may be your reasoning but insomnia has hard bussed day 1 before. Then again he didn't win that game so no idea if he'd be in the mood to do it again. I'm not particularly scumreading somnia anyway but that's a ~meh~ reason to locktown him.

Thanks, I'll keep it in mind.

[Ame]

Why are Looker and ELA cleared?

Luca / egix / looker towncore
Wimpy -- 701 more likely to come from town imo
Birb-- terrible iso but aaron's early townread looks like a transparent pocket attempt at a glance. Not fully exculpatory tho
ame -- still thinking about this


Profii / insomnia / ela

I am absent reasons to townread these three atm so if anyone wants to enlighten me I'm all ears

can you explain the shift in reads wrt looker here?

I opened looker's iso and saw him townreading bart for lulz reasons. Then again a lulz fake townread was literally the first thing aaron did so maybe that's not a good reason

Not to mention, the whole basis of your town read was that she made no attempt to pocket you.

[Wimpy]

I don't really see any evidence that makes me think looker is scum over os or marcabe. I haven't seen any shred of evidence to support marcabe is town.

people have been spewing him town since early day 1 with nothing to support it so i'm skeptical af. I can't tell if he has done any scum hunting cause I can't read his posts.

unless somebody is going to go back and translate all 82 posts into something I can actually read, he remains intentionally unreadable. I would expect town to try to be readable and when asked to drop their schtick, they would actually do it.

I legit scum read people who make themselves unreadable. not going to apologize for that. If I just become a tree stump for the rest of the game, i'm fine with it but today my vote won't ever be on looker or ame unless they somehow slip like aaron did. barring that, they are in the probably not scum pile.

[insomnia]

That’s still good, I appreciate your analysis.

[Wimpy]

Spoiler:

[Ame]

I think the points Luca brought up on Looker are fair. Somni's Ame-Looker case is so poor I'm not sure what to make of it. Will address the flaws when at a computer tonight.

@Luca your concerns with my play are a result of personality differences. You're more traditional and by the book. I'm more about efficiency and optimizing. Jungian-based personally theorists would refer to you as an SJ and people like me an NT. We naturally clash in our approaches to things. Your interpretation of me attempting to rush things is simply eagerness and excitement. As for trying to set up lynches, I don't see it. I don't expect people to blindly follow me, whether it leads to victory or defeat.

[ObviousScum]

On the subject of Looker, I found their 497 weird on a few levels.

1) they say the timings of my interaction with Frost post-slip is weird, which implies a negative opinion, but then wonders aloud if it clears me. This is also odd because Looker never refers back to this opinion of me again, but continues in their neutral stance towards me.

2) disagrees with my point against JT, saying we shouldn’t ‘penalizse’ him for giving reads. Why should anyone not be held accountable for their reads? It’s what the game of Mafia is based on. I can’t grasp this mindset at all.

3) throws random shade at EV, when Looker has been as much a bystander this game.

why do people keep linking posts that are not the post in the number lol

yeah 497 does read kinda weird. it looks like it's gonna be shade on you but then it kinda isn't? or what is the point of the question at the end there

also adding the ELA question after the VC is just... idk weird. idk scummy but sometimes scum do 'just weird' stuff from cognitive load

[ObviousScum]

Can you even name a single protown thing he’s done? I doubt it

yeah the problem with his meme is that since it's so hard to decipher at the start it means he's had fewer substantive real time engagements which could also be making his reads shittier. it ends up positioning him more as a spectator

still anti-town/bad gimmick doesn't = scum all the time. (although the last time someone did this *particular* gimmick they were scum so *shrug*)

[ObviousScum]

I still think Aaron spews Mac town and given my lack of desire to reread Mac I am very tempted to just leave my read of him there tbh

[ObviousScum]

I can name 82. What you got?

even counting post 0 is savage

[Ame]

Yeah, that makes more sense now that you explained it.

How did it make more sense? He hadn't elnterpreted your point correctly.

Also what does it's not much left mean?

[ObviousScum]

My inclination was to townread for 216 because it seems like such a transparent pocket attempt (2scummy4scum). I still think there's a world where that's town indicative but I guess it's not as town-indicative for Looker as I thought it was at first (as town he's actually somewhat cautious with townreads). I still think it'd be a bit weird if both Aaron and Looker both opened the game by doing a meme townread but saying they wouldn't is the gambler's fallacy so *shrug*

319 is something that could come from scum looker, but 377 is the only crassness in the whole iso, whereas as scum looker tends toward hyperbole and aggressiveness

I have to agree with Luca that 497 is just a mess to comprehend

674 would have been better without the ABV

Thought a bit about 761 and the indication of being "lost" -- was tempted to townread but he's not very often "lost" in games as either alignment so nothing recent to compare to here. The last time he says something like this was back in 2010 where he happened to be scum but that's so long ago I doubt it's pattern indicative.

Overall it's tricky. There's not a lot of towngames to compare to in the recent iso, but there's a few tonal things absent from the scum games that I would expect to see here.

I guess I would say I'm less confident in him being town now that I've read his whole iso more closely and am not making a snap judgement off 216 but I don't think the tone issues I have with him are worse than those I sometimes feel about profii, or perhaps ELA.

[ObviousScum]

Permanent townread on the guy with the glasses - you make me feel comfortable. Beauty is really reassuring.

319 is something that could come from scum looker, but 377 is the only crassness in the whole iso, whereas as scum looker tends toward hyperbole and aggressiveness

...there's a few tonal things absent

this game

from the scum games

that I would expect to see here

based on his scumgames

.
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ebwop

[ObviousScum]

wow f'd up that ebwop

w/e you probably can figure it out

[ObviousScum]

VOTE: profii

I've been thinking about this for a while and I think I'm gonna try it on for size and see how it feels

[Ame]

VOTE: Looker

Thinking about it, I'm down for this. It she's scum, she can only be scum with somni and he's doing a double bus.

If she flips scum, I can be vigged and town can lynch somni tomorrow.

If she flips town, we can vig somni and lynch Obvs tomorrow.

[ObviousScum]

also this is unrelated but are we like flipping a coin for genders

I get the impression no one cares but I feel like I keep saying "he" for looker and ame and then other people come in with "she"

maybe I should be defaulting to e for people with unlisted? hmmmmm

[EeveeLution Army]

Just say whatever feels natural until you're corrected. Idc what pronoun people call me

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Looker

Thinking about it, I'm down for this. It she's scum, she can only be scum with somni and he's doing a double bus.

If she flips scum, I can be vigged and town can lynch somni tomorrow.

If she flips town, we can vig somni and lynch Obvs tomorrow.

So in the event that Looker flips Town (which you seem to think is most likely) then you advocate Insomnia, your strongest TR, being vigged?

That makes no sense to me.