Mini Normal 2115: Fin

[Luca Blight]

I kind of agree with you on profii. Last game I played with him he felt pretty obviously town. Granted I was scum in that game so I didn't exactly have to read him too much but I could never push him either. Not quite getting the same vibes from him here as he's been mostly under the radar.

Imagine for a moment that profii is someone you've never played a game with before - what do you think of him now?

Probably more towards null territory but still a scumlean. He's the second highest poster in the game right now but I feel like he hasn't said much of value.

One thing I find interesting about this wagon is that no one has really jumped to profii's defense. Most people seem to have him as a scumread and/or are voting him right now. Is anybody townreading him right now? If so why?

I'm too lazy to count how many votes are on him atm so I'm just gonna wait until gobbles updates us with a VC before I look at the wagon.

This could indicate Frost/Profii is s/s.

Frost is making out he slightly scumreads Profii, but at the same time creating doubt over his wagon because no-one is jumping to his defence. If Profii were Town I could see Frost being more opportunistic/aggressive in his approach to Profii.

[Ame]

I don't know what he is. The Ame-Looker push came out of nowhere and I wasn't expecting it. From most likely to least likely, my thinking is that he is either

• Scum with OS and they want to keep OS alive another night to use his N2 ability
• Town whose had a mental break because he's run out of reads
• OS town and Somni scum who is setting up ML for later (I push OS ML, Somni then pushes me ML tomorrow)

In any case, he is a hindrance to town as he is either scum or defending scum and I'm not really as up for a huge fight as I thought. It's best to just solve this with flips.

[Luca Blight]

One thing I find interesting about this wagon is that no one has really jumped to profii's defense. Most people seem to have him as a scumread and/or are voting him right now. Is anybody townreading him right now? If so why?

I am, and it's for something similar to what you've pointed out here - I think that he's been under too much suspicion for too little reasoning (or, to put it another way, I see people voting him but I don't find the reasoning to be all that compelling). I would be very surprised if he flipped red.

Are you townreading him regardless of the fact that his push has had no resistance? Like what are your thoughts on his posting right now?

Here Frost is walking Egix into defending Profii.

I think Frost also wants to highlight this point by Egix in case anyone analyzes it post flip, to show that Frost wasn't the only one defending Profii based on such reasoning.

[Ame]

Luca, I made the same points here and Aaron's defense was here. His slip was two posts later

Fuck man why am I so bad at playing scum

I probably get lynched today 9/10 times so I'm gonna try my best not to draw associations

If we take the slip as genuine, then he likely isn't mates with profii because he was stating to his scum mates that he was going to try and not draw any association, yet two posts above he made explicit associations with profii.

[ObviousScum]

Perhaps, but "try" would be the operative word there

[Ame]

I mean a hard defense of his profii read is pretty overt.

[Wimpy]

Luca, I made the same points here and Aaron's defense was here. His slip was two posts later

Fuck man why am I so bad at playing scum

I probably get lynched today 9/10 times so I'm gonna try my best not to draw associations

If we take the slip as genuine, then he likely isn't mates with profii because he was stating to his scum mates that he was going to try and not draw any association, yet two posts above he made explicit associations with profii.

What if he said that cause you were on to something

[Luca Blight]

Why would scum!Frost care if you think he's partners with Town!Profii? It's natural he would want to highlight the distancing work he's done, and not have everyone simply follow the thought that 'if Frost flips scum then lynch Profii next'.

It's all WIFOM at the end of the day, but I could see Frost/Profii being S/S, and nothing about Profii's play generally has made me believe he is Town.

[Ame]

True.

[Luca Blight]

By Frost's resigned tone in the slip, it would actually make sense if it were directed to Profii.

'Fuck man, not only am I going to be lynched but I've landed you in it too. I'll try not to draw associations from now on'.

I could see the meaning being something like that.

[Ame]

Yeah I was overestimating Aaron's play there. It does lean an angry you-got-me.

[Looker]

• I don't get the mechanics of "pocketing". I think it's subjective. I don't see how AronFrost saying Macbre is town is pocketing if it just makes Macbre more suspicious of AronFrost. It sounds like another buzzword to me.
  
• I don't have time to play this game, especially if I have to decipher everything Macbre says. It's hard to differentiate between anti-town and scummy.
  
• I never trusted Ame/Luca Blight as a power couple. Profii avoiding giving reads on Luca Blight makes me even more paranoid
  
• Regarding the time signatures: I was considering the thought of Luca sacrificing AronFrost for town cred. Aron 'scumslips' and the next post is Luca going "Hey, guys, look what I found" Highlighting it was a sanity check
  
• The only thing in the hood is me warning that I might have to replace out. I think that would be a good idea so that someone can clear this slot - I've shitted on it. I haven't been paying attention to really anyone. ObviousScum pointed this out when I asked him for a read that he'd literally just given. And Insomnia's right; I can't remember shit. Especially when something changes every time I look into the thread. I'm not keeping up.
  
• I
  am
  concerned with how confident Insomnia can be in me being scum, though. WIFOM aside, it's very unrealistic.
  
• I didn't want to penalize JTheo for giving reads because the other players I had asked (to give reads) had neglected to do so. This is what made me moreso townread him. Scummier players are typically more avoidant when it comes to being accountable to stated reads
  
• I'm leery of players saying "X is bad/scummy, but I can't quite put my finger on it" RE:Insomnia's Post 1120
  
• RE: ObviousScum : This is the first time anyone's tried to tell me about myself using meta. The subjectivity of it makes it insultingly inaccurate, but in a non-serious 'this is a game' type way. I don't really like being called aggressive. I don't care what gender you use, though.

I don't think that all three of {Ame | Luca Blight | Profii} are town. Ame says she can recreate the wagon for ObviousScum, but the wagon for profii died and wasn't heard of again.
VOTE: Profii

Spoiler:

(3) Looker

- insomnia, Egix96, Ame

(2) Profii

- ObviousScum, Looker

(1) Macabre

- Wimpy

Not Voting (4) — EeveeLution Army, Macabre, profii, Luca Blight

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

[Luca Blight]

I think Aaron’s scum as well, he literally has no reason to have his vote on me at this point. Not only is he not accomplishing a thing by keeping it on me, but he’s also directly going against his belief that rvs is made to generate pressure and discussion, get people’s thoughts on someone and see what happens from there.

There’s virtually no attempt from aaron to even figure me out, he placed a vote for something that would look scummy and then never came back to this read.

His questions are also not figuring anyone out.

Funny that you posted this bc I was literally about to switch my vote to profii.

VOTE: profii

I wanted to switch my vote earlier but I thought profii was at like 5 votes and I was too lazy to count them myself to check.

How am I going against my belief of RVS? When I voted for you we were pretty much out of RVS at that point and several other had responded to it saying why they think you're town which is something I've been taking into consideration.

This is a reluctant vote, he's basically forced into it as he has no argument against Insomnia, he's just stated a TR's Alch and so the only one option left is Profii.

[Luca Blight]

And now you weren’t gonna switch your vote to profii “just now”, you wanted to get egix to talk on it first, but my post prompted you to do just that.

And where did I ever imply that I didn't intend on switching my vote?

Egix is townreading profii

so why would I need him to clarify

his townread on profii

in order for me to vote for

profii, who I am currently scumreading

.

Frost is making it patently clear in his wording that he SR's Profii and that Egix TR's him.

[ObviousScum]

The subjectivity of it makes it insultingly inaccurate, but in a non-serious 'this is a game' type way. I don't really like being called aggressive.

I said you were only crass and aggressive as scum though

pErSpEcTiVe SlIp? nah probably not

really though I'm surprised, usually people say my meta is eerily accurate

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Profii

This is my preferred lynch today.

[Looker]

really though I'm surprised, usually people say my meta is eerily accurate

I'm just triggered by real-world impressions of me.

[Wimpy]

This narrative actually makes more sense. I could see profli being scum

[Wimpy]

But then again I’ve done similar pushes and have been wrong so idk

[Luca Blight]

I have this thought on my mind that Luca is driving hard towards me because we recently played a mason game together so he is scared that i will see exactly what he is claiming to see in me - a different style that would automatically mean a different alignment. Methink one doth one protest too much perhaps?

I've only just noticed this post, which further increases my feeling that Profii is scum.

The fact is that Profii has been the complete opposite to how he was in the game he's referring to. If he were simply Town playing a different playstyle then he would expect me to make those comparisons, but instead he's turning it back on me - saying that I'm only making those comparisons because I'm scared he might notice differences in me!

As it were I would have expected Profii to make comparisons of his own, but the fact is that Profii hasn't tried to sort me all game. If anyone is running scared here then it's him, as he's been trying to avoid conflict from the word go.

[Wimpy]

How is it looker has made more VCs than the mod?

Regardless what happens mvp to looker.

[Wimpy]

Looker and profli tied at 3.

If we lose looker we may never have a VC again.

[Wimpy]

VOTE: Profli

Out of the two this looks better.

[Wimpy]

The fact is that Profii has been the complete opposite to how he was in the game he's referring to. If he were simply Town playing a different playstyle then he would expect me to make those comparisons, but instead he's turning it back on me - saying that I'm only making those comparisons because I'm scared he might notice differences in me!

This here is a valid point. Whenever somebody changes the way they play, they expect backlash. That’s why alts exists.

[Wimpy]

Question. How has this site not developed an auto vote counter?